Episode 28: The Outsiders

The Outsiders (1983) | Stay Gold...or Overrated?

One of the most celebrated coming-of-age movies of all time. One of the most stacked casts in Hollywood history. One very unexpected consensus.

This week, the guys revisit The Outsiders, Francis Ford Coppola's adaptation of S.E. Hinton's beloved novel featuring future stars Patrick Swayze, Tom Cruise, Rob Lowe, Matt Dillon, Ralph Macchio, Emilio Estevez, Diane Lane, C. Thomas Howell, and more.

The problem?

It just didn't work for us.

Join us as we break down what we thought missed the mark, from rushed character development and over-the-top melodrama to questionable plot decisions and a soundtrack that somehow forgot it was an 80s movie.

Along the way we discuss:

•  🎭 Whether the performances still hold up 
•  🚬 Why Dally became one of our least favorite characters 
•  🌅 If the emotional moments still land over 40 years later 
•  🎵 The baffling absence of an iconic 80s soundtrack 
•  🎬 Francis Ford Coppola's decision to adapt S.E. Hinton's novel 
•  ⭐ The unbelievable cast...and the even crazier list of actors who auditioned 

We also debut a brand-new game, Six DeGreasers of Kevin Bacon, connecting this legendary cast to Kevin Bacon in six degrees or less, hand out our Boddicker Award, make some tough Pick Your Poison choices, and reveal our final beer ratings.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

A leather jacket, a switchblade, and a world where the wrong side of town could get you killed. What if growing up meant learning how to fight before you learned how to drive? And what if the line between good kids and bad kids was really just money, neighborhoods, and whose parents actually came home at night? And what if one terrible moment turned a bunch of teenagers into legends, fugitives, and ghosts? This is the outsiders, and we'll get into it on this episode of the Regular Guy Movie Show.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Lights go down! Let's just play! Regular guys got something to say. The regular guy movie show talking flick. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Welcome back to the Regular Guy Movie Show, where three grown-ass men revisit the movies that shaped our youth, warped our understanding of high school forever, and convinced us that every teenager in the 1960s apparently looked like they were 31 years old and smoked two packs a day. I'm Seth, and joining me as always are two guys who would absolutely, well at least hopefully, have my back in a rumble. Justin and Brian. Gentlemen, are you ready to stay gold? I'm ready to rumble. At night? In the rain.

SPEAKER_21 1:32

For some scenes and shots, but not all of them. Inconsistent rain. Inconsistent rain.

SPEAKER_22 1:39

Hey guys, it's the worst kind. Don't worry. I I can't cut you. Oh I couldn't do it. Oh I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Call me Johnny. Before we chase off any small children asking for 15 cents, let's take a moment and talk about what we're drinking tonight. Ooh, crazy music. And we are starting things off with a pick of Justin's.

SPEAKER_21 2:06

It's my pick. Tell us all about it. This is Mechelobe Gold and Light. And obviously, because you know the whole thing in this movie is stay gold, pony boy. That's right. Stay gold. So I I chose something with gold in the name. And I mean propos. And you know, it is gold.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

It's very gold. It looks like my pee. And I gotta say, any drink that looks the same going in as a wheel coming out, it's gotta be a healthy drink, right?

SPEAKER_21 2:35

It has to be. Like, I mean, you can consider this like a vegetarian dish. Hey kidneys, take this one off. We got this. We got this. Is there an ABV on this? Is it like two? I don't know. Do you see one anywhere?

SPEAKER_22 2:51

I've been looking on the bottle and I don't see it. Maybe it's a negative number. Yeah, I don't see it on the bottle.

SPEAKER_21 3:01

I don't see it on the package either. Um I'm guessing it's low.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

It's very light. Probably three and a half ish. It tastes light. Is is this sex in a canoe?

SPEAKER_22 3:12

It's fucking close to water. That's what it is. You know what? Shout out to old Mickelobe. I don't hate it. No, I don't either. This is refreshing. It's good.

SPEAKER_21 3:23

You do get some beer flavor. And you know, it's like 90 degrees out today. And this is fitting. Like I I could drink this all day. Oh, this is refreshing. This is good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

And again, it would never be something I went to the cooler and said, you know what? I really feel like a Michelob golden light until now.

SPEAKER_21 3:42

Now I might. You know, I don't think I've ever bought this ever.

SPEAKER_22 3:47

But it's never, Bob. It's really not bad. Hey, thanks for bringing this, Justin. This is uh this is a nice refreshing little throwback. Not bad.

SPEAKER_21 3:55

And just like the core is light, we brought the whole six pack in. Yep, we did. Get through them. Because this is going down way too easy. That it is.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

All right, very cool. Well, we're talking about the outsiders. And as we mentioned, this was a pick of Justin. So, Justin, what tell me about your earliest memories of watching The Outsiders?

SPEAKER_21 4:16

Alright, so in 1983, I was a sexy one-year-old baby. Sexy baby. So I'm pretty sure I didn't see it then. You know, like I'm I doubt my parents ran in this movie whatsoever. Uh, I watched this movie for the first time yesterday. Whoa. Yeah. You have not watched this, but yeah, you picked it? I have not watched it and I picked it. So so tell me how you came about picking this movie. I picked this movie as a suggestion from my 13-year-old stepson Addy. Oh, very cool. Yeah. So they, over the course of this year, they read the book and he loved it. He loved the book. Okay. And he ended up watching the movie and he just raved about it. He was like, this is a great movie. You guys should do this for the podcast. And I was like, you know what? I've never, never would have thought we would have had a suggestion from a 13-year-old to do a podcast about a movie, so why the hell not? Right? Absolutely. Why not? Thank you, Eddie, for uh for choosing our movie.

SPEAKER_22 5:15

That is good.

SPEAKER_02 5:15

That's good stuff. Now, if you would have asked me yesterday, have you seen The Outsiders before? I would have vehemently said, Oh yeah, absolutely I have, until today. When I realized, no, I've not seen this movie before. Because I had a very vivid picture in my mind of this movie. And it turns out I was thinking of an entirely different movie. I'm kind of there with you.

SPEAKER_22 5:39

I thought I knew about the movie. Uh-huh. Of course I knew about the cast. And we'll get into that. Um, so I thought I knew about the movie until I watched it for the first time yesterday and realized I knew nothing about what the movie was really about. So we got we got three pairs of fresh eyeballs on this thing. You know, I I'm really excited to get into the the depths of this movie. It was uh a lot different than I thought it would be. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

Well, for anyone else who has not seen The Outsiders before, why don't we take a moment and enjoy a little story time with Brian?

SPEAKER_06 6:16

Brian, tell us a story.

SPEAKER_22 6:20

The Outsiders came out in 1983 and it was rated PG. It was based on the book by S. E. Hinton. In a sun-bleached Oklahoma town, where the line between privilege and poverty is drawn sharper than a switchblade. Two worlds live side by side, without ever overlapping. On one side, the Soche glide through life in pressed shirts and fancy cars, insulated by money and expectation. On the other side, the greasers. They move through alleyways and bonded not by choice but by circumstance. Their loyalty forged in scraped knuckles and sharpened hardship. Deep. At the center of it all is Pony Boy Curtis, a boy who still believes in sunsets and poetry, as the world around him insists on harder truth. That's hard to say. Truth. Truth. Truth. When a single violent night shatters the fragile balance between these two worlds, Pony Boy and his friend Johnny are forced into hiding, forced into fear, and ultimately forced into a moment that will define the rest of their lives. Ooh. Yeah. That's it? That's it? Okay. Yeah. Well, tell me how this movie did in the box office, Brian. Okay, so the budget for this movie was around $10 million. And the domestic box office made roughly $25 to $26 million. Uh so it's about a two and a half times return on its production budget. But interestingly enough, the International Box Office was very severely limited. It was not a major global release in the way that most modern films are. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Any idea why? No idea why. No idea why. I don't. Other than maybe some of the other movies that came out in 1983. Yeah. Return of the Jedi. Mm-hmm. Terms of Endearment. Oh. Flash Dance.

SPEAKER_21 8:25

Oh, Flash Dance will kill all those things. I'm a maniac.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

On the floor. Just a steel town girl on a Saturday night. Um Trading uh Trading Places. Oh, that's a good one. It was an 83 movie. War Games. Oh, yeah. And one other movie we've talked about previously on the podcast. Mr. Mom. Mr. Mom. Alright, alright.

SPEAKER_22 8:48

Yeah. You know, this is one of those movies that kind of earned its legacy after its uh its release, you know, not during it.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Well, it became a lot bigger on cable TV. Um, and I'm sure the rental, you know, aspect of it. And because this was based on a pretty well-known, you know, young adult themed novel, I from what I understand, it pr it it it did his tour in the classroom as well.

SPEAKER_22 9:15

Yeah, yeah. A lot of schools uh use the book and the movie um in middle school and high school. Yeah, for sure. And I and that's that's how that's how Addie got exposed to it was at school.

SPEAKER_21 9:25

Right, yeah, yeah. That was not a movie or a book that we watched.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

If you're gonna be exposed to something at school, might as well be the movie.

SPEAKER_21 9:35

Yeah, or the bookbook.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Yeah, there are far worse things.

SPEAKER_21 9:38

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Oh, well, well, outside of the the the dollars and cents, how did uh people receive the outsiders, Justin?

SPEAKER_21 9:46

So this is pretty interesting. So Rodden Tomatoes has a score of 71% based on 52 reviews from critics. And a popcorn meter of 82% based on over 100,000 viewer ratings. That's a lot. So it's you know, you got the B, uh C plus if you average. But I I did pull a couple of reviews that I thought were pretty funny. Because I've really been enjoying when you do these. Yeah, yeah, let's hear them. So this one was from 2005. Okay. Okay, so long after uh I started pulling the dates because we were talking like, when do you think these happened? 2005. A deeply strange film that gives 60s hoodlums the personalities of care bears and places them under constant attack from preppies in pastel sweaters. You know, that's not far off. Not at all. Yeah. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Care bears, though.

SPEAKER_21 10:46

Okay. I mean, I've never met a care bear that was that mean, but that's fine. Uh, not all of them, I guess, for care bears. Uh, 2004. There's not much life in this movie or spontaneity. It's a stylistic exercise. And that review brought me back to like our old filmmaking days, to where I'm like, man, like sometimes we just did some artsy fartsy shit. Just to be artsy fartsy. Just to be artsy fartsy. Like, yeah, we thought that shit was cool. Uh-huh. And so, yeah, it's a stylistic exercise. And I I get it. Like, I really do. Like, it's especially when we talk about who directed it.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

And that's what I'm saying. I would get it. Except for the person who directed it who should be way beyond that.

SPEAKER_22 11:32

Yeah. Way beyond that. Maybe we just didn't understand. Maybe, maybe the critics who had those reviews just didn't see it through the same lens. They don't get it, man. They don't get it. They don't even get it.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Do you need to take care of something before we move on? No, I'm good. You good? Okay. Well, uh, as we've already kind of talked about, this this movie was largely based on the book, The Outsiders, who was written by S. E. Hinton when she was just 15 years old. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_21 12:07

I did read that.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

Yeah. It was published when she was 18. Now, S. E. Hinton used the initials S. E. Obviously.

SPEAKER_11 12:18

You're kidding me.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Instead of her full name, Susan Eloise, because publishers worry that teenage boys wouldn't read a novel written by a woman.

SPEAKER_11 12:27

Hmm.

SPEAKER_22 12:27

Now this was written in the mid-sixties, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think the book was published in 68.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Some somewhere around then. Honestly, I I this uh only today learned that Essie Hinton was a woman. Um and it kind of puts my question is how is a 15-year-old because writers write what they know. That's what they're always told, write what you know. Sure. How is a 15-year-old girl writing the perspectives of a 16-year-old boy?

SPEAKER_21 12:58

Well, she must have had some experience.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Had experience with 16-year-old boys?

SPEAKER_22 13:02

Uh-huh. You know, in hindsight it makes a little bit of sense. Because and we'll get to it, but in the movie, the relationship of two of the lead characters almost seemed I hate to say that, but it almost seemed feminine in in the relationship. Yeah. Um you know, very kind, very supportive. Supportive, yeah. Um things that I don't know if if two stereotypical boys of that age would would interact with each other. Oh, I get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 13:39

I hear what you're saying. At 15 I wouldn't have been as caring and thoughtful.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

No, because especially if you go forward a few decades, I um I think the the the idea would be that if you have two male characters who are being this caring and supportive for each other, that they're probably gonna end up going brat broke back mountain territory. Oh, they're gonna touch tubes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_20 14:04

Yeah, you're not wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Plug it in, plug it in.

SPEAKER_22 14:08

You know, I'm really surprised I never read this book. I I was a really big reader. Yeah. And I read a lot of books. Um, but yeah, this one escaped me. I know I never read this one.

SPEAKER_20 14:18

I haven't read it either. Surprise. I didn't see the movie.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Of course, I'm not gonna read the book. The the screenplay uh for the movie was written by Kathleen Rowell. Umside of the outsiders, her biggest work really was writing for TV, including episodes of Falcon Crest and Dynasty.

SPEAKER_21 14:38

Nice. I have not seen either of those. I have. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

The director, though. Definitely someone you've probably heard of, Francis Ford Coppola.

SPEAKER_20 14:47

I have heard that.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

He's he's actually the director. Director he qualifies. When you've directed The Godfather and Apocalypse Now, if you want to be called director, you can. Oh, he's earned it. He's earned it. He's earned it tour. And if you ever in a real documentary kind of mood, there's a documentary called The Heart of Darkness that that doc that follows the making of Apocalypse Now. Is it good? It's ridiculously insane. Really?

SPEAKER_22 15:17

Oh, I types of madness that they went to to make that movie. I heard the shooting of that movie and everything from the sets to the extras, everything was just nuts.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

And you know, so it was all the book was all based on on this uh this novel Heart of Darkness about a military commander going mad. Well, it just turned out, you know, Francis Four Coppolo bent basically mad shooting this movie. So if you ever watched, want to watch a documentary, a really good documentary about the behind the scenes of filmmaking, highly recommend Heart of Darkness. That's like the definition it takes one to know on. Absolutely. I mean, really, it was it's it's bizarre the making of this movie. Uh but why he chose to make this though, after he already established his resume, he his legacy was built, he was kind of coming off some financially rough years. And the the chaos and expense of Apocalypse Now really took its toll. And so a group of school students wrote him a letter asking him to adapt The Outsiders into a movie. No kidding. His own kids were fans of the novel. And so he saw the story as a chance to make something smaller, emotional, and youth focused. And fingers crossed, make some money.

SPEAKER_22 16:34

Make some money. And and it did, you know, two and a half times its budget. It made some money. It made some. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Not a bunch. No. But some money. Now he intentionally cast a a group of unknown actors. I think largely because he just didn't want to deal with the chaos that he had to do with the actors from from Apollo Clips. Now he learned his lessons. Oh, sure. And and you know, if they're unknown, they're cheaper. Right. And um I think what may have helped or hindered the project is they all live together during production. Right, right.

SPEAKER_22 17:03

And he separated the greasers from the socias to build honest animosity between them. He wouldn't let them assimilate and had them all live together. So they they kind of built that brotherhood thing. Did the socias get better treatment? Ooh, that would be awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

I don't know. I don't know if he was been a nice touch. Yeah. The socias lived in penthouses and the greasers had to live in trailers. All right. The socias drank Michelobe.

SPEAKER_22 17:34

And the Greasers drank um Bushlight. Bushlight. Stag. Natty.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

The stag will kill them. Moles in your yard. And I hope we've all watched the same version of the movie. Because there is another one available. The novel version. The complete novel version. Uh in which Coppola restored some deleted scenes and added more even more material that was came from the book because apparently the script that's in here stays pretty true to the book. It embarrassed even a lot of dialogue directly. But this other version really sticks close to it.

SPEAKER_22 18:11

And one of the big differences is the and we'll get to it, but the time that they're at their hideout in the old abandoned church is a lot longer.

SPEAKER_20 18:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_21 18:20

In the novel version. So I think I watched the not novel version. Okay. I watched the not novel one on purpose. I didn't pay attention to it. Because actually Ashley had preloaded it on our two-watch thing on Amazon. And when I got home, she was like, hey, it's all ready for you. You know?

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Oh, wow, nice.

SPEAKER_21 18:41

I know she's a sweetie. Um so I don't know which one I watched, but at 92 minutes, I'm pretty sure I watched the short version. The short version, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Because this was the first, this is the shortest movie we watched in quite a while.

SPEAKER_21 18:54

Oh my gosh. It was over in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Yeah. Yeah. Um, the other thing I'll bring up, there's no way he could have known, but damn, did he pick the Mount Rushmore of 80s actors to be in this movie? I tell you what, it for hiring unknowns.

SPEAKER_22 19:11

Whoa. Right. That's and we'll get we'll get to it here in a minute, but but that's a hella cast.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Well, that's pretty crazy. While we're in that ballpark, Justin, tell us who's in this movie. I don't want to.

SPEAKER_21 19:29

Too many people.

SPEAKER_22 19:30

If if somebody didn't know and you just threw out a name, you'd probably get one or two right. Probably.

SPEAKER_21 19:37

All right. So first up on my list is Pony Boy Curtis. Pony Boy C. Thomas Howell.

SPEAKER_09 19:43

Yeah, right. We're young and yes.

SPEAKER_21 19:47

Yeah, right. So Pony Boy is a thoughtful and sensitive greaser who narrates the story and struggles to find his place in a world divided by class. He's the emotional center of the movie. He is.

SPEAKER_22 20:02

I do a lot of heavy lifting. You know, in one of the biggest differences between the book and the movie, the book is narrated through Thomas Howe. Yeah. Uh Pony Boy is telling the story. Um in the movie, he's not. But you can tell he's the center of the emotional center.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

And the movie has moments where he's the narrator. Right. Moments. But it's not the throughput of the movie. Sure. It's not guiding the action from beginning to end. We have a little bookend here and there, and then there's like one or two lines dropped in the middle that almost feel out of place.

SPEAKER_22 20:40

You know what I know see Thomas Howell from? What do you know from? One of my favorite movies as a kid, and I'm surprised none of us have picked it yet. What is it? Red Dawn. Red Dawn. Yeah. I've not seen it.

SPEAKER_21 20:52

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Exactly. So I thought Pony Boy had he was he was kind of a neat character. Because he was a greaser, but he really wasn't. Yeah. You know, like he like he could feel for other people. And not really want to be a part of it, but he had to be.

SPEAKER_22 21:15

He struck me as a good student. He seemed well read. He seemed articulate.

SPEAKER_21 21:22

Um he kind of stuck out from the rest of the group. I almost feel like if his parents hadn't died, he wouldn't be a greaser at all. Oh, I totally agree with that. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

I I yeah, it's very possible. Um I got such Romeo vibes from him. Yeah. That's and maybe not and not even so much the Shakespeare play, but the Bos Lerman movie, Romeo and Juliet. I got a lot of hit vibe from that where he was stuck in this family, stuck in this structure. But really, really, personality wise, he was not the same as Shakespeare. He wasn't a Mercutio. He wasn't, you know, these other people that were in his clan. Right. He wanted something else. He had vision. He had aspirations. He wanted more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 22:12

He was learned. I thought C. Thomas Howe did a did a pretty good job. Yeah, it wasn't bad. Yeah. Wasn't bad. I mean, I don't know of anybody who did an awesome job. Nobody did an awesome job. Nobody did. No. Not a single job. I mean, let's say that's just to be clear. Yeah. No one did great. No. Even though there are amazing actors miscassed now. Now. Yeah, this is. Yeah, this is then. The acting acting wasn't great. It was. But as far as the not great acting, he did okay. He did alright. Yeah. Yeah. He had the heaviest lift of anybody.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Oh, he sure did. I think he had the second heaviest. I think there was one actor who Well, I look forward to finding out who you think had a heavier lift. But we'll move on.

SPEAKER_22 22:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

Who else you got?

SPEAKER_21 22:52

I know where you're going because he's my next up. Next up is Dallas, Dally Winston. Played by Matt Dillon. Are you a real rare? No. No, not Dally. Alright, so not Dally. Not Dally. Dally is a hardened and reckless greaser whose tough exterior hides fierce loyalty to his friends. I think this would be an easy character to play.

SPEAKER_22 23:20

I don't know. I thought. It's like, okay, we're shooting this, and uh, hey, Matt Dillon, you're gonna be Dallas Winston and be a dick. Be a dick, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Have either of you ever seen Matt Dillon in a rule where he's not a dick? I've not. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_22 23:36

The dude is so typecast.

SPEAKER_21 23:37

Yeah. Yeah. Do you think his turn was alright? Like, I thought he did an okay with his turn. Like he was still a dick, but he was like upset and he was emotional. He was alright.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

I found his turn to be I didn't buy his turn. I thought his turn felt like a Deus Ex Machina. It just came out of nowhere. I thought his turn was more homo psychosis. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Dallas, I I I think there was a a degree of complexity to his character. Overtly, asshole. But he did take two younger guys under his wing. He didn't have to. He did some redeeming things. And actually, even in the early part of the movie, there was a moment where the boys are heading to the drive-in and they come across a group of younger kids, like little kids. And he was being a bit of an a-hole to them. But then he started chasing them, and he could see the joy that he was having, and the kids were having. And that moment is it kind of like, okay, maybe there's a little bit more depth to this guy than what I think there is. But then as the movie went on, I realized no, there's not.

SPEAKER_22 24:51

You see, I thought that moment just showed his immaturity.

SPEAKER_20 24:54

Yeah?

SPEAKER_22 24:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_20 24:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_22 24:56

I just thought he was a dick.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

That he fakes his maturity when he has to be mature. I'm not gonna say he's one note, but I don't think he was as complex as other characters. So I'd consider him brown note. Brown note! Oh no!

SPEAKER_20 25:14

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_21 25:18

If you know, you know. You do, you do. You do do. All right, next. Who's next? Next up is Johnny Cade, played by Ralph Macchio.

SPEAKER_07 25:29

Well, I guess we're disguised.

SPEAKER_21 25:34

There's not a whole lot of dialogue that you could choose from these guys, right? No, no. So Johnny's a quiet and vulnerable greaser who endures abuse at home and finds strength when it matters most. Did you say he adores? Endures. Endures. I want to make sure that was clear because I could have sworn you said adores. Johnny is a quiet and vulnerable greaser who adores abuse at home.

SPEAKER_22 25:59

And finds strength.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

I'm gonna guess this is the character you were talking about, Brian.

SPEAKER_22 26:03

This is the character that I think would be the toughest character to play in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

And I agree, and I don't think it was played very well.

SPEAKER_22 26:10

You know, he reminded me a lot of young Karate Kid. I wonder why. When he was getting his butt beat and all that stuff from the the Kobacai guys. You know, before he had his turn. Because because the let's be honest, they were both kind of wussies. So it's Karate Kid with a knife instead of a crane kick? Yeah, karate kid with a knife and a leather jacket. Alright. There's leathers. But as as far as as far as the characters go, I think this character would be the toughest to act.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

I don't disagree. Because he starts off the movie beaten down already by the world. He is in such a low, low place. Now he d then he'll go across and he'll cross the line and do the unspeakable. And then somehow that act I think starts to bring him back up. And it's it's really weird how hitting rock bottom in a terrible, terrible, tragic way somehow opens the door for him to become redeemed. Right. And then be struck down tragically. Yeah, like he did.

SPEAKER_22 27:21

He became stronger after he did the thing he did. I think after that deed, he knew his fate was sealed. Yeah. So the pressure was off. You could be right. It could be.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

But even that adds even more to the complexity of Johnny. Definitely. Yeah. Um, other things you might know it from uh The Karate Kid, the Karate Kid Part 2, also the Karate Kid Part Three. Uh, My Cousin Vinny, uh, the TV show Cobra Kai, the TV version of co of Karate Kid, grown up, uh, and Crossroads. Um As for everyone else, and there's a ton of other people in this cast, but for the sake of time, let's rattle through them fairly quickly instead of going one by one.

SPEAKER_21 28:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Because everyone else is kind of just a side character.

SPEAKER_21 28:06

I agree. Let me just say soda pop Curtis, played by Rob Lope.

SPEAKER_15 28:10

After we stop the socias real good, me and Steve are gonna throw a party and everyone's gonna get ripped.

SPEAKER_21 28:14

Yeah, yeah, ripped. Next up, Daryl Deary Curtis, played by Piatri Sweezy. Your favorite.

SPEAKER_22 28:22

You smoke more than a pack today. And I'll skin you, you understand?

SPEAKER_21 28:30

You can smoke, but it's not more than one. More than one pack. Next up, Keith Tubit Matthews, played by Emilio Esteves.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Hey baby, you wanna see what's hanging?

SPEAKER_21 28:44

She doesn't. Steve Randall, played by Tom Cruise. Fucking nut job in this movie, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_22 28:54

Did you guys realize that this was before Tom Cruise got his teeth fixed? No. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 29:00

No, I was on a smaller TV also. Okay, the bedroom TV is a lot smaller than the other. Yeah, those chiclets were crooked, baby. And like the shit that he would get all over his face from the whole movie? Yeah. Like, what was that about? Oh, he was eating a brownie and it's all over his face.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

He had a whole slice of cake, and who in the house is baking a cake at freaking, you know, right? Six in the morning. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_21 29:24

It's it's older brother and two younger. Nobody's baking a cake. Nobody's baking a goddamn cake. All right, Bob Sheldon played by Leif Garrett. Oh, I actually don't have sound for him. Oh no, Bob Sheldon. Hey, I'm Leif Garrett. Bob Sheldon. I'm a character in this movie. Alright, next up is Cherry Valance, played by Diane Lane.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

If I see you in school and I don't say hi, please don't take it personal, okay?

SPEAKER_21 29:53

I won't take it personal, Cherry.

SPEAKER_22 29:55

So I have to I have to I have to throw out a quick apology.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 29:59

I was unaware of her talents. She was good looking. She was good.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Are you telling me you were unaware that Diane Lane is good looking? That good looking. Have you seen Unfaithful? I've not.

SPEAKER_21 30:11

No.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

Watch it. Really? It will haunt you in your dreams in the best goddamn way. Oh man. Is she topless? I don't remember, but she is so flaming hot. Really?

SPEAKER_22 30:22

Okay, yeah. That's not uh I've totally missed her.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Dirty kind of way. Ooh. I love it. We had the exact same reaction. I did. But man, that cast. With the exception of Leaf Gary. Everyone else had a cast. That was like the backbone of 80s and 90s movies.

SPEAKER_21 30:45

Oh, poor Leaf Gary. He didn't get a sounder. Did he say anything at all?

SPEAKER_02 30:51

He said a couple things. He said a couple things.

SPEAKER_21 30:54

He said, okay, here's the sounder. Get back in the car. I'm gonna be honest. I don't remember Bob.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

He's the guy that got stabbed, and he's the guy with the flask, and he was the guy that basically was a jerk to Cherry.

SPEAKER_21 31:08

Oh, he was a Soosh. Yeah, he was a Soosh.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

He was a total dick.

SPEAKER_21 31:12

He was Cherry's boyfriend. Yeah. And he was the one that got killed? Yeah. Okay. Bob. Bob. Bob. Not the builder. Bob Builder. He was pretty cool. He was. But not Bob Sheldon. He's a fucking douche.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

He's dead. As stacked as this cast was. Here are some people who reportedly auditioned or were considered for the movie. Alright. Alright. Nicholas Cage. Oh no.

SPEAKER_21 31:37

I'm glad they glad they passed on.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Oh, he'd have been a good reason.

SPEAKER_21 31:40

Oh, he was a coppola.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

He was a nephew of the director. Right. I still didn't get in the movie. That's hilarious. Val Kilmer. Wow. Interesting. Robert Downey Jr. Okay. He was probably too much Coke at that time. He was too young at that point. This was before he got into Coke.

SPEAKER_22 31:56

I think so.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

He was pretty young.

SPEAKER_22 31:58

Yeah, he was probably like 15. Yeah, that's probably about a couple months away at.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Someone who I'm pretty sure definitely was on Coke at this time. Mickey Rourke. Ah, yep. Mm-hmm. Dennis Quaid. Probably also on Coke. Anthony Michael Hall. He was in every 80s movie.

SPEAKER_22 32:14

He sure was. Hey, take a break, man. Take one off.

SPEAKER_21 32:17

Right.

SPEAKER_22 32:17

You don't need to be in this movie. Forrest Whitaker.

SPEAKER_21 32:20

No way. Forrest Whitaker. Yeah. He would have been like the only black guy in the movie. He would have been. Yeah. Meg Ryan. Hey, why? She could be a soh. I could see that.

SPEAKER_22 32:32

Because uh she could have been in The Friend. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know, because Poppy Cosh.

SPEAKER_21 32:38

Papa Josh. Gina Davis.

SPEAKER_22 32:41

Ooh, now there's a hottie. Oh, there we go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

I could see her being a social. There's a new show on Netflix, The Burroughs. Which is made by the Duffer Brothers who did Stranger Things. Only it's set in the retirement community. So it's old people instead of preteens. What is this called? The Burroughs. The Burroughs. I just, I'm only a couple episodes in. It's pretty good, and she's in it. The Duffs are in it. The Duffer Brothers. Okay.

SPEAKER_21 33:05

I'm just gonna keep writing things down because you keep giving me gold holes. Put it in your palm pilot that I will never watch.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Um a few more names on the list. Lou Diamond Phillips. Oh, he had he had his time. Oh, yeah, he sure did it. James Spader. Eric Stoltz. And Chris Penn. Who's Chris Penn? Well, he's the brother of Sean Penn and Michael Penn. Who's Michael Penn? Is he the one that didn't make it? Michael Penn was the it was a songwriter. He wrote uh he sang the song No Myth. Chris Penn was in Reservoir Dogs.

SPEAKER_20 33:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Or as my wife refers to it, Reservoir of Dogs. Reservoir of Dogs. Yeah. Man, that makes it a whole different movie. Well, now that we've talked about God, one of the biggest casts we've had in quite a while. It's a huge star-studded. What do you say would take a moment? And talk about beer number two. Here we go. This is my selection for the evening. This is Mosh Pit, Hazy IPA from Surly Brewing Company. And how does that relate to the movie? Well, I think it relates in a couple ways. Number one, everyone in this movie was fucking surly. They absolutely were. Lots surly. And you know, the the film culminates with a rumble, which is pretty much a mosh pit.

SPEAKER_22 34:30

Yeah. I think it fits. Hey, have have you guys ever been in a in a mosh pit? I have. I have as well. I have not.

SPEAKER_21 34:39

Really? That surprises me. Yeah. I've never been in a mosh pit.

SPEAKER_22 34:44

Of all the three of us, I would have expected you to have been like the mosh man. The one punching babies in the faces? Hey Seth, who is the band in your first mosh pit? Uh Guardi.

SPEAKER_21 35:00

You know, I will tell you, I think the reason, probably the reason why I haven't been in a mosh pit is because I'm real weird and awkward at a concert. Oh yeah? I'm like, do I sing? Do I like jump around? Do I like I don't know what I'm doing in the concert?

SPEAKER_02 35:16

It's a mosh pit, you do all those, but then slam into other people violently.

SPEAKER_21 35:20

Yeah, but like I don't like I don't know. Like it's just I've always been weird at concerts. Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys think about this beer though we're drinking? So 7.2%. I see right here on the can. It doesn't taste like a 7.2. Yeah, no, I think it goes down easy. But I also don't think it tastes like a hazy.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

It has uh more of a west coast feel to it. Yeah. And we're drinking out of the can, so I can't see how hazy it might be. Sure. But just the drink itself, it it has more of that west coast.

SPEAKER_21 35:56

Yeah, the hop profile feels is west coast. Yeah, for sure. It's not it's not like it's not light and juicy.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Yeah, and and that's that's why I think so many hazy beers have become synonymous with the juiciness. Right. And this does not have that fruit forwardness that that many hazyes have. No, this is this is a bitter IPA, which is why I like it. I think I love it. I think some hazies just go too far off to the other direction. I think it just tastes like an IPA, which I like.

SPEAKER_21 36:30

I want that. It tastes like bubbly hops. Boobles. It does. It's but uh it it I like it. It's a good IPA, but I think it it kind of does it a disservice to call it a hazy IPA. As far as hazy IPAs go, I think it's it's probably it's not in my top five. But as far as IPAs go, it's probably in my top five.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

I was hoping I'd score some points because you're a whore for hazy.

SPEAKER_21 36:59

I am a whore for hazy's, but this isn't a hazy. I mean, it might look hazy. We don't know. No, that it's gonna taste hazy, okay? I don't know what any of our beers look like. I'm except for our last one because it was in a clear bottle. Yeah. I'm not a whore for hops.

SPEAKER_20 37:17

You are not. I'm not.

SPEAKER_21 37:19

I guess I'm not finishing it on top tonight. Anywho. I'm gonna get best of the worst again.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

What do you guys say we change some gears and talk about the nitty-gritty of this movie? Let's do it. Well, we start things off in this movie where we see Pony Boy writing in his composition book. And we we get a few little lines written with along with some narration. Yeah. And then we transition immediately into the title sequence. Almost like this whole movie is a flashback. Okay.

SPEAKER_21 37:56

Can can we all agree that the music did not scream class war movie?

SPEAKER_02 38:04

Well, the movie To anyone overall, you know, it didn't have that many songs with words in it. Except honestly, I think except for the one that was in the opening credit sequence, which was by Stevie Wonder. Exactly. Um, and and you know, I I know that a film should not be graded too heavily by its title sequence, but damn, I almost checked out just from the title sequence. Oh, for sure. The title sequence was it was rough. I think I made better title sequences when I was in college.

SPEAKER_21 38:40

You know, I I it immediately made me think of like some of the better ones that I've thought like I've seen, and I've like, okay, we've talked about Donnie Darko. Yeah, and I'm terrified to to do Donnie Darko on this show. But the title sequence with a killing moon, uh-huh. Like, holy cow. The great great song choice for the the scenery and like what he's doing in it. This Stevie Wonder is not it.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Fire in the sky. Ooh. Now good call. It was simple, but having all those titles just over that long held shot of the roadway at night with the fog. Right. It set a mood. Completely inversely. Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah. Oh, opening title sequence with the with all the school things and names being spelled out in tater tots and ketchup with with um the white stripe song uh playing in the background. Gonna be friends. Uh-huh. It set a tone, it set a mood, and it stayed consistent for the whole movie.

SPEAKER_22 39:45

It made sense to the opening of the movie. The opening title sequence for Speed was awful. It was terrible. Yeah. And this one was in this one was so much worse.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

The thing about speed, it was bad, but it didn't take me out of the movie. I just wanted to get it over with. This one set a tone with a song that I didn't feel fit, and the long sheld shots of sketched out sunsets of train yards and stuff, and all the graphics, which they they were so staged in certain places, it didn't feel uh professional. Yeah, it was a weird start. It made me feel uncomfortable to watch it. Quick fades at different points. It just felt amateur.

SPEAKER_21 40:32

Like I'm sure there wasn't a whole lot. Like this was set in like the 60s, right? Yeah. Like I'm sure there wasn't like a whole lot of like angry punk rock stuff going on in the 60s.

SPEAKER_22 40:42

No, there was no angry, no, no, no great music being made in the 60s at all. But like, I mean, you could have used like an Elvis song or something.

SPEAKER_21 40:51

Why did you choose Stevie Wonder to represent your gang war movie? You know what I mean? Like in Sunsets, and like like none of it made sense to me. And it is, it's my first note. The opening music doesn't scream class war movie to me. I don't know what it's is this a love story? Like that. Maybe it was.

SPEAKER_22 41:14

Maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_21 41:15

Maybe the boys in the church, maybe that was a love story. I don't know. That's what I got from it.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

There's the first time in all the movies we've watched, I had to take a break during the credits.

SPEAKER_20 41:29

That's never happened.

SPEAKER_21 41:31

Like it like you sit down and you're like, oh hell yeah, here we go.

SPEAKER_22 41:35

Except for one. Uh-oh. Rad. No! That that opening sequence took like 18 minutes. No. Yes. It was freaking ready to.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

I'll say that was at least fun with all the stunts and things going on. It kept you engaged. There was nothing here to keep me hooked. And the other thing I'll say, at least Rad, it was consistent with the theme and style for the rest of the movie. Which was a montage.

SPEAKER_21 42:05

You cannot deny that. No, I cannot deny it.

SPEAKER_22 42:07

It was montage heavy. It was it was a great time to go get a beer. The only thing I did during these opening credits of this movie was I got a kick out of seeing all the names. There were a lot of names. Like, oh, I recognize that name. Oh, I recognize that name. Oh, I recognize that one. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

So I know that's the only thing that made it tolerable. And I know that additional decades of filmdom have probably spoiled us. But in 83, I would not have known who any of those names were.

SPEAKER_21 42:33

Oh yeah, that was the point I was getting ready to make. In 1983, you would have been like, who the fuck are these people? You know, like this music sucks. Oh, for sure. Who are these people? What am I watching?

SPEAKER_22 42:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 42:42

It wasn't even a song that anybody knew.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

It was like made specifically for the movie. So it's not like it was a it was a rocking hot track from Stevie Wonder that anybody would have known and be able to sing along with. Yeah, this was a weird way to start this movie. It's terrible. Bad choice. How much of their 10 million went to that song? Probably most of it.

SPEAKER_21 43:04

A decent chunk. We gotta get a Stevie Wonder in here to get us a song. Why? Why? There's gotta be somebody better that can do it for 10 bucks.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Nobody can see you doing that, Brian. I know. I'm doing the Stevie Wonder.

SPEAKER_22 43:15

You know what? Stevie can't see it either. That's old.

SPEAKER_20 43:19

Oh damn. Too soon? No.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

Not. Hey, after we get through the horrific opening sequence, uh the title sequence, we we find Pony Boy, Dallas, and Johnny uh making their way to the drive-in.

SPEAKER_20 43:35

And just they're sneaking in. Sneaking in. There was something that he said. Dally says, the sky's getting dark. And I thought, gotta get going.

SPEAKER_21 43:51

What a weird way to say it's getting late. Right. I thought there was like a storm coming. Like, oh, the sky is getting dark.

SPEAKER_22 43:58

Yeah, I thought so too. But then once they went to the drawing, Drive in movie. I figured it out. It made sense because the movie starts when the sky gets dark. It's just getting late. Later say it, but you know, there's not a tornado coming. This is a Oklahoma, correct?

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah, that's where the wind comes sweeping down the plane. Yes, that's what I've heard.

SPEAKER_22 44:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

Um I'm assuming this is during summertime. Uh-huh. Yeah. Because no one seems to be going to school at all. Right. Oh, yeah. Why is he freezing? Now, Brian, you've mentioned before being in Oklahoma. Oh, Altus, Oklahoma. Yep. What are the temperatures like in summer in Oklahoma?

SPEAKER_18 44:34

Damn hot.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

And why the hell is everyone wearing fucking leather?

SPEAKER_21 44:39

And also Imagine how bad that smelled. And what was his name? The main guy, the uh pony boy. Pony Boy. Pony Boy was like, oh, I'm freezing. I'm freezing.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Freezing.

SPEAKER_21 44:52

Yeah. Maybe if you wore a shirt with any degree of sleeve. Well, I mean, maybe like maybe it wasn't summer. Are we sure that it's summer? I'm assuming it's summer. Maybe it wasn't. I don't know. Like we it never really says.

SPEAKER_22 45:05

Do greasers go to school? You know, it must have been during school time because uh pony the boy had that little dream where his older brother's like, time to get up for school.

SPEAKER_21 45:20

Oh, he sure did, didn't he? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's winter time. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Just a weekend. Yeah. Just an Oklahoma. Just an Oklahoma weekend. I'll freezing with my sleeve and shirt.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

Anyway, once they're at the the uh at the movie, uh we start to learn about the social structures that will largely define the rest of the movie. Uh the three of them are sitting behind Cherry and Marcia. Um and while they're sitting there, Dally starts to display some some rather lewd and aggressive behavior towards Sherry. Uh he he's calling out her red hair and basically asking, without actually saying it, whether the carpet matches the drafes.

SPEAKER_21 46:04

Yeah, he sure did.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 46:07

And so so what kind of weirded me out was I saw a discernible age difference between Dallas and everybody else. Oh big time. Big time. That added to the creep factor of him uh giving uh Cherry so much grief. Yeah. Dall Dally was a dick. Mm-hmm. For sure. Big time. So much so that his buddies told him, hey, knock it off. Right. Like even the greasers were like, dude, like that's that's a little much.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Chill out, man. Well, Dallas steps away at one point to go to the get himself some concessions and and uh opens up an opportunity for Pony Boy and Cherry to connect. And and Cherry immediately sees that that Pony Boy i is different from the other greasers. Right. Now, she's of the Soche class, uh, which is really defined whether you wear a leather jacket or a cardigan. Right. When Dallas comes back, though, from the concession stand, he gets even more aggressive for with with Cherry. Sits next to her. Yeah, sits right next to her. Johnny, who is the littlest of the group, um makes a stand against Dally, telling him to leave her alone.

SPEAKER_17 47:18

What'd you say?

SPEAKER_07 47:20

Come on, you heard me, leave her alone.

SPEAKER_17 47:24

What'd you say, little shit? What'd you say to me? Come on. Why is this?

SPEAKER_21 47:30

You know, I'd give him kudos. Because like he did a good job of being like, I'm gonna stand up for this girl, but also be like afraid of Dolly, like crazy. Being a wussy. The acting acting in that in that situation was really good. I thought so. It was it was convincing.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Yeah, and we we we see that Johnny has a bit of a scar on his face, and after Johnny leaves, um Pony Boy and Cherry go to get more concessions, and because you know, I think Cherry Boy or Cherry wants a little one-on-one convo time with with Pony Boy. Pony Boy. Now we we we learn in this conversation they have together, and I don't know whether it's when they're gonna concession stand or when they're still sitting out at the drive-in. That's his actual name, Pony Boy. Right. His name is Pony Boy. He's got a brother named Soda Pop. Soda pop. It's on their birth certificate, and then a third older brother, Daryl.

SPEAKER_21 48:33

Daryl. I love it. And they also like that it called him Darry. Yeah. Dairy, Soda Pop, Pony Boy.

SPEAKER_22 48:45

What kind of dumbass parents name him that? I guess parents that die in a train wreck. You know, and the parents, because you you you see them, they look fairly normal.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

But while uh Cherry and Pony Boy are in the concession stand, they they have a bit of a conversation about you know who's who and this and that. And you know, they get into the social structures that that defines a movie. And and Cherry really wants Pony Boy to know that things are not as neat and tidy as he might think they are. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

You think the Sous have it made? The rich kids, the Southside So. Well, I'll tell you something, Pony Boy, and it might come as a surprise, but things are rough all over.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Yeah. You could end the movie right there. You could. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lesson learned, move on.

SPEAKER_21 49:42

They're rough everywhere. You know, and I don't, I don't disagree. You could have all the money in the world, and things could still be difficult. But goddamn, does money make things more comfortable? Like they always say money can't buy happiness. No, but it sure can buy comfortability. It can.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

The other thing I think it's a larger issue, money doesn't buy class.

SPEAKER_21 50:06

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

Because I some of the biggest And that was that was evident in this movie. Some of the biggest white trash I've ever encountered are people with money. Yep.

SPEAKER_22 50:14

Oh, for sure. And and sometimes for a reason. You know, when when people are bankrolled by mommy and daddy, you know, they're not out there having their first job at 15 and you know, mowing lawns to make money. They just ask mommy and daddy for it.

SPEAKER_02 50:30

They don't learn any lessons. Right. No. Well, after the movies, they're they're walking home, and Pony Boy and Cherry's connection, you know, furthers. Yeah. You actually feel it. Yeah. And you know, Cherry seems to really want to know more about Pony Boy and his world.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

So tell me about your oldest brother. You never seem to talk about him.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

I'm gonna stop it right there. You never seem to talk about him. Uh-huh. Makes you think that they've talked before. Right. They have not. They have not. The extent of their relationship has been from the beginning of this movie, of the drive-in experience, to the end. Yep. Now, even if it's a triple feature, as some drive-ins would show back in the day, you're still watching the movie most of the time.

SPEAKER_22 51:22

I should have said you haven't talked about him. That would make more sense. But instead of you never talk about what? Since I met you two hours ago? Right. Yeah. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

So tell me about your oldest brother. You never seem to talk about him. What's it tell? He's big in Rose Houses. No, really. I mean, what's he like?

SPEAKER_03 51:47

I feel like I know Soda for as much as you talk about him.

SPEAKER_21 51:50

As much as you talk about him in the last reckless couple hours. You know.

SPEAKER_09 51:57

He ain't like soda, and he sure ain't like me. He can't stand me. I bet he wishes he could stick me to some boys' home or something, and soda won't let him. What are you talking about, pony boy? Come on, pony boy, you all get along fine now. No, we don't. And you just shut your trap, Johnny K, because you ain't wanted home either. You shut your mouth, kid.

SPEAKER_21 52:18

The writing is amazing. Yeah. You shut your mouth, kid.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

So in there, we we we get yeah, uh Tubit chiming in. And we get uh yeah, just the the the more expo dump uh that apparently life at home for for Pony Boy isn't great. I think there's so many better ways that they could have done that. Yeah, and and also apparently life at home for Johnny is pure shit. And you find out, yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_21 52:46

Yeah, it's terrible, it sucks, you know, but like there's so many better ways that they could have advanced this conversation without acting like she knew him for years, right? You know, like, oh, we've we've talked on so many occasions.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Maybe if we watched the complete book instead, we would have gotten a deeper understanding. Uh shortly hereafter, though, the conversation gets broke up. Sherry's boyfriend pulls up. Sherry's boyfriend Bob. Bob Bob and his pack of Soch goons arrive on scene, drunk, drunk as a skunk, drunk as a Bob. And uh violence is about to break out, but Sherry doesn't want that. And so she goes willingly, but not before apologizing in advance to Pony Boy for ignoring him from this point on at school. Right. Oh, she can't be seen.

SPEAKER_22 53:43

That that those streams can't cross. No, heck no. You're not gonna talk to me at school. Right?

SPEAKER_21 53:50

But don't be offended. If I ignore you, don't be offended. Don't be offended. I'm I'm a little offended. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

No offense. But offense. But you're gonna really fuck on my social standing. Right. So I can't be seen with you.

SPEAKER_21 54:09

Which is such a weird thing in this movie because they never really get into like we just talked about, like do the greasers even go to school? Like we never see.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

She alludes to it. Says that that that we go or he says we're in we go to school together, and she mentions seeing his brother soda pop at school, but why isn't he there anymore? Well, because he's working at a gas station.

SPEAKER_21 54:38

Right, but like they never get into like they never show scenes of it. Like no.

SPEAKER_02 54:45

There's so much more they could have elaborated on that they just didn't because really so much of your social dynamics when you're a teenager are forged uh within the school walls. Right.

SPEAKER_21 54:56

And the way this is written is just expected for us to believe that the greasers and the socias hate each other.

SPEAKER_22 55:06

And and that's one of the things I have in my my final thoughts. Right. There is so there are so many generalizations that uh this movie assumes the audience already knows. Right.

SPEAKER_21 55:19

And for 92 minutes they could have expanded a little bit.

SPEAKER_19 55:24

A little bit, a little bit, no.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Yeah, it could have been some inciting incident other than the fact that you look you dress different than me. Right. You have greasy hair. But but at the same time, I can smell it. At the same time, you could look at West Side Story, you could look at Romeo and Juliet. All of these are movies and films and plays based upon the idea that there are two sides that hate each other to the point of violence without any real reason for it.

SPEAKER_21 55:53

Now, I get that, but I will say I've never seen West Side Story. I just haven't.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

When you're a jet, you're a jet all the way from your first cigarette to your last dying day. I'm I'm snapping. Do you feel threatened? I do.

SPEAKER_20 56:11

Holy shit. Like big time.

SPEAKER_22 56:13

If I wasn't attached to this microphone and headphones, I would like creep around the table how they do the left side story. Both snaps.

SPEAKER_21 56:24

Yeah, I feel like I should whip out my switchblade. Well, and that happens too. Yeah. Cut you a little bit. Now I will say I have, I've I've seen Romeo and Juliet, right? Like, but they gave backstory. They gave reasons why. Did they? Yeah. Other than the fact they just don't like each other, the the the capulets and the Montagues. The families hate each other, but then they showed like a lot from both sides. It was like, here's how the capulets live, here's how the Montagues live. Right.

SPEAKER_22 56:55

They do the same thing in Nomeo and Juliet as well. Do they really? Yeah. Never seen that one either. Oh, it's good. Yeah, Nomeo and Juliet.

SPEAKER_21 57:05

Yeah, that's good. So, but like when you go into it, like say like any movie that you go in to see and say, okay, we have a class war. Yeah. Right. There's some kind of evidence. There's some kind of like something like a buildup. Sure. That says this is a precipitating factor. The fight is coming. Like because of all these things that happen. Here's the fight that's coming. Yeah. Instead, in this one, it's just like it's the wait staff versus the dancers. We're just gonna fight. Why?

SPEAKER_22 57:36

When we get to that, I have my thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_20 57:38

Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_22 57:40

Hold your horses.

SPEAKER_21 57:41

Hold nay. I'm holding my horses are being held. By Seth. We're gonna snap you out of here. Yeah. Thanks for holding my horses.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

Back in the hood. Mm-hmm. Uh Pony Boy and Johnny are hanging out in a vacant lot. And Johnny, I think he's just kind of hidden his breaking point.

SPEAKER_05 58:08

I can't take much more of this, pony boy. I'll kill myself or something.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Come on, you can kill yourself. See if I don't stop there.

SPEAKER_06 58:35

Seems like it's gotta be someplace without grazers and socias. Must be someplace just plain ordinary people.

SPEAKER_22 58:52

And that's the quote of the movie for me. Yeah. Of all the quotes in the movie, that's the one that sums everything up. There's gotta be a place without greasers and soches that are just people.

SPEAKER_20 59:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 59:04

But I think that comes really quickly and without any kind of justification. Like, why is this guy so upset?

SPEAKER_22 59:13

Well, did you notice before they went to the lot? I know it's a lot. He ran up and to go into his house. Yeah, and he heard them fighting. And he heard them fighting, and he heard his mom say, get out of here, Johnny. I hate when they're fighting.

SPEAKER_21 59:24

Let's go to the lot. Yeah, I get that. I do, I get it. It sucks.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Well, he's but like he's a young, he's a teen who's already been beaten up, bruised, and scarred as a result of this class warfare. His home is not a place he is feels safe to be. This kid is is on a meltdown. Yep. And this is like the most understandable part of the move movie to me.

SPEAKER_22 59:51

Yeah, well, because you see this hard greaser who's crying. So that shocked me that already this early into the movie, you have this hard greaser button. He's already broken down into tears.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

But I've never thought Johnny was hard. Right. I didn't either. He he was a soft, sensitive guy forced into playing hard, but never equipped to be so.

SPEAKER_21 1:00:15

Right. So maybe that's where they could have changed things up a little bit to where the opening title sequence, let's go way back. Yeah. Was Johnny getting his ass kicked? That would have made a lot more sense. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like the socias are just beating the fuck out of him. And that's like gives you a little insight into where they're at because then he then he goes home and his parents beat his ass for getting his ass beat. Exactly. Like the sunset didn't do shit. No. Like, I don't like none of this feels justified to me.

SPEAKER_22 1:00:46

Well, the movie is 90, what, two, three minutes long? 92. So it moves very quickly through this thing. So I justified it as hey, we just came in in the middle of this kid's story. Mm-hmm and and we didn't get the backfill. But this is where he's at right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

I think what we've gotten, though, is enough to show that that Johnny does not like his home life. And the closest thing to family he's getting is from this group of greasers, right? Who also are putting him in regular danger.

SPEAKER_21 1:01:16

But there's also a lot of teens that just don't like their home life. Even though the parents are doing all the right things.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

I will also uh what the last thing I'll say here is that we could talk about this all night.

SPEAKER_22 1:01:27

Yeah, we need to move forward. I think we understand where you're at. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 1:01:32

I'm glad you understand where I'm at.

SPEAKER_22 1:01:35

And that's fine if we move forward. You want to give us some backstory on that?

SPEAKER_21 1:01:39

I could give you so much backstory on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

Anyway, after this whole very deep conversation and losing it, they fall asleep. They have a dream sequence. And this is where we get the dream sequence of a couple in the country in a train wreck and all kinds of other good stuff.

SPEAKER_21 1:01:58

And you don't know who they are quite yet. Yeah. I was not expecting their car. The car to get smashed by a train. Smashed by a train and just get drugged down the track. That was that was a that was a shocker for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

So Pony Boy wakes up and uh he's got to rush home, but but Johnny's like, I'm just gonna stay here for a while. It's just it's just better here. So Pony Boy rushes home and and gets in as soon as he walks in the door, you know, brother Daryl's there, his other brother soda popper there.

SPEAKER_22 1:02:31

It's two in the morning. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

It's two o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_22 1:02:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

Mm-hmm. And uh he's he's Daryl is pissed off and it gets physical, and then Pony Boy runs off again.

SPEAKER_21 1:02:44

Yep. This is where I I wondered, and I don't know how you guys I know how you I know how you feel about Johnny Castle. Yeah, read Johnny Castle. But I drew kind of a parallel between Derry and Johnny Castle. This is Johnny Castle's origin story, and I and I kind of think like I I'm real torn if Patrick Swayze, are you a bad actor? Are you an overactor? Like, what the hell is going on here?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

I will go back to what you said at Dirty Dancing that he projects for the last room of the audience. Like, holy cow!

SPEAKER_21 1:03:27

Like he was, he was, yeah, you're absolutely right. He was in a play on a stage and he was playing to the back row.

SPEAKER_22 1:03:36

And he's part of the reason why I thought this whole movie was a film stage production.

SPEAKER_21 1:03:40

Oh my gosh, it was terrible. He was such an overactor. Yeah, and I don't know if that's just Patrick's way, because I don't remember that. Now I will say, like ghost. If I go back and watch it again now, will I see the same thing? I don't know. I think so because I think you've already made it up in your mind. Because I haven't seen it in so long, but like he was he was over Ditto. Ditto. That's what he would have said. Uh-huh. That is what he would have said. He wouldn't have told me he loved me. No.

SPEAKER_20 1:04:13

No.

SPEAKER_22 1:04:14

He'd have said ditto to the back row of the auditorium. Hey, Whoopee.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:19

Ditto. Ditto.

SPEAKER_22 1:04:26

Everybody turn your volume down before the ditto's come out. All right, yeah. So Pony Boy goes back to the city.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Pony Boy runs off. He finds Johnny still asleep in the log. Yep. And they're like, you know, let's let's get out of here. Let's get it. Let's run away. And so they're they're running off. And and you know, but trouble in the form of a Ford Mustang is lurking.

SPEAKER_22 1:04:52

The same Ford Mustang that had Cherry's boyfriend in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

I sure did. Yeah. Um, because Bob and his pack of Soch douchebags are now chasing Pony Boy down. They sure are. Uh they they find them hanging out uh in a playground. At the park, yeah. At the park. And and Pony Boy's like, hey, this is our turf. You got no business here. And Bob's like, fuck you. We'll do what we want.

SPEAKER_21 1:05:22

And uh such a Bob move, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_14 1:05:26

You guys know what greases are? White trash with long greasy hair.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:35

You go to socias? What? White trash with mustangs and magic. Get him! Get him!

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

I don't know if it's a smart, strategic idea to spit in the face of a guy and then run away. When he's got three buddies behind him. Especially when you're outnumbered, yeah. Uh but that's what happens. And they catch him. And they catch him.

SPEAKER_22 1:05:59

And they start picking. Yeah, they take Pony Boy and they hold him over the fountain and they put his head in the fountain and then they pull him up and they put him back down and it looks like they're trying to kill him.

SPEAKER_21 1:06:13

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_22 1:06:14

Meanwhile, Johnny's been knocked out. So no one's beating him anymore, but he kind of comes to. And what does he do? We we don't see it. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

We don't see when it happens.

SPEAKER_22 1:06:26

But we see him reach into his back pocket and pull out his switchblade. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

And um the next thing we know, Johnny's out of the fountain. Uh I'm sorry. Pony Boy is out of the fountain. Johnny is next to him. And Bob is lying there dead. In a pool of blood.

SPEAKER_21 1:06:50

And I thought that was kind of crazy. Like you're old. Like there's like there's four of you. Now three. Because one of you is dead. But they just left.

SPEAKER_22 1:07:04

They just ran away. They left Bob. You know, I I think that's a that's a commentary on the socias. When when shit got real, uh-huh. They bailed. They did. Because that's they're they're not used to that. They're used to cardigans.

SPEAKER_21 1:07:18

And like, holy cow, like, you could have overtaken this one guy.

SPEAKER_22 1:07:21

You know what I'd have done? What'd you do? I'd have snuck up behind Bob and I'd have done the pet cemetery, and I'd have slashed his Achilles. Ooh. Yeah. Chase me now, Bob.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:32

These other Soach guys could have just grabbed Bob's dead body and uses the shield to basically bum rush Johnny.

SPEAKER_20 1:07:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 1:07:43

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:44

But that's not what happened. The uh they ran away. The Soches ran away. And so now they these two young youths are stuck there with a dead body. They sure are.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:54

Johnny, I think I'm gonna be sick. Go ahead, man. I ain't I ain't gonna look at you.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:05

So once uh once Pony Boy is done puking his guts up, they go to the one person who they know is gonna help him. Dallas. Dallas the dick. Who apparently lives in lives in a bar. Yep.

SPEAKER_20 1:08:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:18

And so they go find him at a bar at in the wee hours of the morning. And he's shirtless. Shirtless. As anyone would be hanging out in a bar in the wee hours of the morning.

SPEAKER_21 1:08:27

He was sleeping in his room. I mean, at like four o'clock in the morning when I'm in the bar, I'm always shirtless. Well, he he lived there. He was in his room sleeping.

unknown 1:08:36

Nah.

SPEAKER_22 1:08:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 1:08:37

He was flirting McGurls. No, that's what he said. He was flirting McGurls. What do you want?

SPEAKER_22 1:08:40

I was sleeping.

SPEAKER_21 1:08:41

He was flirting McGurls. They looked at him in the window. He was flirting McGurls. Dallas into girls.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:49

He was flirting McGirls. I kind of wonder if he may have been into he might have been. Maybe. I don't I don't mean Love is Laugh. Um But so they tell Dallas, hey, we we just killed a guy and Dallas like cool. So here's 50 bucks and a gun. This is his game plan.

SPEAKER_22 1:09:05

This is what you do. So the the flatness of Dallas of okay, here's what we're gonna do. Um told me a lot about him. Yeah. Number one, it was either bad acting, and number two, this guy's used to that. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. You know, I think it was a combination of both.

SPEAKER_17 1:09:22

Get the 315 train to Wendricksville. It's a freight. It's an abandoned church on top of J Mountain. It's a pump in the back, so you don't have to worry about water. Get a week's supply of food as soon as you get there this morning before the story gets out. And then don't so much as stick your noses out the door. Am I clear?

SPEAKER_21 1:09:50

Yeah, like why do you know all this? He has a very detailed plan ready to go. Yeah, he sure does. And I also liked him this time. Johnny said, Man, I wish I had a weed now. A weed. A weed.

SPEAKER_22 1:10:12

Asosh wrote this story. I wish I had a weed. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

Now he said that, and immediately after, Dallas gives him a gun. Yeah. It made me wonder is that was that slang at one point in time for a gun?

SPEAKER_22 1:10:34

I don't know. I don't think so. I think he was talking about a joint. He needed a joint.

SPEAKER_21 1:10:38

That's what I was thinking too, because he saw people smoking.

SPEAKER_22 1:10:41

Because he was all stressed out and uh I wish I had a ball down.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

I wish I had a weed. I wish I had a weed. But yeah, so so ultimately in this moment, our movie has gone from what felt like up to this point a coming-of-age drama to a fugitive story.

SPEAKER_21 1:10:58

It did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Just like that.

SPEAKER_22 1:11:01

Like the snap of a fingers. Oh shit. When you reject all the way. All the way persecuted to your last time. Oh my god. Yeah, see, now you know how I feel when you guys talk about Darny Darko. Yeah, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Yeah, very cool. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

All right. So Pony Boy and Johnny are now on the lamb. And they sneak into the freight car of a train as directed by Dallas. I love how the old men who are patrolling the rail yard somehow are oblivious to the sounds of footprints, footsteps through rocks. Yeah. Despite the fact they don't seem that far away. Right. And then when they come to inspect the freight cars, they only shine their flashlight lamps thingies. One more direction.

SPEAKER_22 1:11:53

Well, that's because when you walk down the train, you've already looked in that direction. And so when you get to the end and you turn around, you look in the other direction. Not ever suspecting somebody's going to get on there.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:06

They're doing a really shitty job. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_21 1:12:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_20 1:12:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_21 1:12:09

Yeah. You just got to know which way they're coming from so you could be on one side and then hide to the other side.

SPEAKER_22 1:12:15

It's in the handbook of like hobo searching one on one right now. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_21 1:12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:21

Hobo's one-on-one. The boys successfully do make their way to the church that Dallas has pointed them towards. Uh-huh. With his very specific set of instructions. Mm-hmm. Why he has them, we have no idea. Get some baloney. They Johnny makes a supply run. Um, and this this is immediately where I feel like we get a growth in character right off the bat because um pony boy sleeping. But but Johnny goes and takes it upon himself to take care of business. Oh, yeah. He goes to town, he gets supplies, giving them everything they need to lay low. Loaf of bread. They got bread, they got bologna, peanut butter, they got a copy of Gone with the Wind, a deck of cards, and peroxide, so they can bleach their hair. Well, and apparently tobacco and papers to roll cigarettes.

SPEAKER_22 1:13:16

Yeah, the essentials.

SPEAKER_21 1:13:17

Hold on, hold on. They dyed Pony Boy's hair. I was gonna get to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

We'll get there. Why did they not dye Johnny's hair? There are a couple things I want to bring up about that. Because Pony Boy initially is not on board with the idea of changing their hair color to Zillalo.

SPEAKER_22 1:13:35

Yeah, they're on the run.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:36

They gotta they gotta change their looks. But but Johnny is insistent, and and eventually Pony Boy gives in. And so Johnny begins cutting his hair or cutting pony Johnny's cutting Pony Boy's hair with a switchplate. Using the same switchplate he killed Bob with. Yep. Which must be the dullest knife. Super dull because he's struggling. Now, why when he were buying all these supplies, if you had the forethought that you have to have peroxide, why wouldn't you have also bought a pair of scissors?

SPEAKER_22 1:14:05

That would make sense. Maybe the store didn't have scissors, or maybe you only had a limited amount of money. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_21 1:14:13

You could buy a copy of Gone with the Wind. Hold on. He went to the dull knife store. The dull knife store. Sharp knife store cost too much. Yeah, you can get dull knives or way cheaper.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:25

And yeah, why are they making Pony Boy a blonde when Pony Boy wasn't even the one that committed the crime? Exactly.

SPEAKER_22 1:14:33

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't I didn't really understand that.

unknown 1:14:37

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:38

They cut his hair though. I don't think he's looked that different. No, he didn't look different at all. Uh but but after they get through this awkward, grimacing scene of cutting hair with switchblades, we we do get some bonding moments between the two boys. They're they're chasing a rabbit, they're playing poker for cigarettes, uh, they're reading out loud as as as Pony Boy's reading Gone in the Wind, Gone with the Wind to Johnny. It's being a good guy. And and they have a moment soaking in the sunrise in which Pony Boy recites Robert Frost by memory. Uh including a line that's important about you know about Golden and the sunrise and the dawn. And they're talking about, yeah, that that the chasing of the gold. Yeah. Um and that sticks with with with Johnny. Johnny. Because you know, Johnny doesn't hear fancy words like that, I guess, at home.

SPEAKER_22 1:15:39

That's why he wanted Pony Boy to read Gone with a Wind to him. Um I think he's a little bit wanting of the some culture. Frankly, my dear. I don't give a damn. But but this whole moment of the movie feels peaceful. It does. And and when I watched the movie, one of the thoughts I had was holy cow, would I love five or six days in a hideout out there in the middle of nowhere, not dealing with anybody, eating baloney sandwiches, reading books.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:16

But but but also this is that moment to me that if this movie were being made today, this would be the broke back mountain portion.

SPEAKER_22 1:16:24

You know, I I kind of got the vibe watching it, and maybe it's because I'm polluted with today's entertainment. Because you know, they they kind of overdo that. It's it's everywhere. Um where I thought maybe there was gonna be a romantic twist between the the two boys. Yeah. Um but no, it didn't go that way. And and seeing 1983, you know, if if I go back to when this movie was made, I would expect that not to happen because that was not commonplace then to to talk about and and and wasn't quite in vogue. It was not especially with a bunch of greasers. Right, right. But but they were definitely forming a comfortable bond like brothers.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:07

Well, Dallas eventually shows up at the church and he he's brought with him a letter from Sodopop. Um because Sodopop knows that Dallas knows where these boys are, and and Dallas claims that he told he was questioned by police about the whole thing, and and he he says that he supposedly told the police that they ran off to Texas. Um we don't actually know where they are, but apparently it's not Texas.

SPEAKER_21 1:17:32

Could you imagine if your parents named you Soda Pop?

SPEAKER_22 1:17:37

And the parents before they got crushed by the train in their car, they look like such normal people. And um who's who named somebody Soda Pop and Pony Boy Boy. Wow, and then Daryl. I can understand, you know, good from Brother Daryl. My other brother Daryl.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

Well, um Dallas takes the boys out for some barbecue at uh the Dairy Queen, where you know, little girls come up wanting to know if they've got 15 cents to spare, but they're all hiding their heads and hiding their faces. They don't want to be seen, yet they're driving around in a convertible. Sure.

SPEAKER_21 1:18:15

I thought it was also kind of funny at that point where he's like, I hope you guys like barbecue sandwiches. Yeah. And then it's like, why didn't you just let them choose what they want? Right. They went to a dairy queen. Right. Like, what if you just want a burger? It'll be fine. Right? I don't have to have a fucking brazier, man. A brazier. A brazier. I don't have to have a barbecue sandwich.

SPEAKER_22 1:18:37

You know, I I I what I inferred here was that the barbecue sandwich was the most expensive, and he was showing off that he had money. And he was getting them the best. And I think of the Dairy Queen, the barbecue sandwich was like the best of the best. The elite sandwich of the sandwiches.

SPEAKER_21 1:18:55

The brazier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 1:18:56

So he's like, you know, these boys aren't gonna ask for it, so I'm gonna make sure they get one.

SPEAKER_21 1:19:00

I hope you like barbecue sandwich. What if they just want a hot dog?

SPEAKER_22 1:19:04

They don't. They've been eating bologna for a week.

SPEAKER_21 1:19:08

They're starving. I think they probably would have eaten anything at that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

How many days in a row do you think you could eat bologna?

SPEAKER_22 1:19:16

I hate bologna. I love it. I ate a lifetime's worth of bologna growing up. Okay. Uh bologna salad. Ew, I wouldn't know. Bologna sandwiches. Oh, that's fine. Um Dagwood sandwiches that are like a bologna sandwich with a peanut butter and jelly on top. Squish it together and eat it. Pardon me?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:38

Mm-hmm. I I've had peanut butter with bologna, but not jelly. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_22 1:19:42

Yeah, so I I grew up eating a lot of bologna. And as an adult, I'm done. So uh. Hmm. They didn't have any refrigerator. You struck like you have questions. What struck me was the fact they didn't have a refrigerator, and the bologna was just like to refrigerate bologna? Bologna process. That's even grosser. Oh, gross. Okay. Bologna's made from like lips and assholes.

SPEAKER_21 1:20:09

I didn't think about the non-refrigerated bologna. But let's go back to the Dagwood. Okay. Bologna. A bologna sandwich with peanut butter and gel.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:20

Okay, so it's it's a it's that what a traditional dagwood is?

SPEAKER_22 1:20:23

I don't know. That's what I knew it growing up. Okay. Oh. So it was bread, cheese, bologna, lettuce and tomato, mayo on the underside of the top. There you go. Wait, you said peanut butter and jelly, too. Hang on. Okay. Hold your whole sandwich. Oh my god. And then on top of that, you put the peanut butter, and then you get a third piece of bread and you put the jelly and on top of that sandwich. Now you have a triple decker, which is a bologna sandwich with cheese, lettuce, and tomato and a peanut butter and jelly on top.

SPEAKER_21 1:20:56

Do you remember the time that I told you about the baloney and cheese sandwich with mayo?

SPEAKER_11 1:21:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_21 1:21:02

And I was high, and I thought it was a good idea to put a chewy chips away on it. Yeah. I do. That's that. That's fucking gross, man. Not really. I mean, my god.

SPEAKER_22 1:21:20

I was not a picky eater as a kid. And that was like a delicacy, man. That was like that was living high.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:26

Is it weird that the grossest part I heard of that was tomato?

SPEAKER_22 1:21:31

You know what? One of these nights we need to have a uh a meal of foods from our movies. I'll make you guys a dagwood. We'll eat a uh Twinkie Wiener sandwich? We'll eat a Twinkie Wiener sandwich. And we'll we'll go to town.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:44

Oh. Let's not drink that night. We need some pancakes and maple syrup for fire and sky. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_21 1:21:52

I can do that. Yeah. I'll be happy with that. I don't want to eat I don't want your dagwood. No thank you.

SPEAKER_22 1:21:58

Would you rather eat a Twinkie Wiener sandwich?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:01

It's a Twinkie Wiener sandwich.

SPEAKER_22 1:22:04

I don't know. Do you like Twinkies? I do. Do you like wieners? I love Wieners. Then you'll like a Twinky Wiener sandwich. I love Wieners so much. You won't love it. Seth has had one.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:22

Um after they leave, uh while they're still the Dairy Queen. Johnny makes the decision that he's going to just get this whole mess over with and turn himself in.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:37

We're going back to turn ourselves in.

SPEAKER_17 1:22:40

What?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:42

I got a good chance of being let off easy. It was self-defense, you just said pony and Jerry can testify to that. And I we won't say that you helped us. I'll give you back that gun so you won't get in any trouble, Dow.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:52

Are you sure? This is what you're here to do.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:58

No, I don't guess my folks are worried about me.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:02

The boys are worried. Do you know that Tubit wanted to go to Texas to hunt for you?

SPEAKER_08 1:23:05

Yeah, I I asked if my parents asked about me.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:08

No, they didn't ask about you. So what? You think my old man gives a hang if I'm uh dead in a car wreck or drunk or in jail or something? He doesn't care. But that doesn't bother me none.

SPEAKER_21 1:23:19

You know, I kind of like that part with Derry. Or with uh Dallas. Dallas. Because he he's like trying to avoid the conversation about Johnny's parents. And he's like being a piece of shit. The boys care about you. Like, don't worry about your fucking parents, they're pieces of shit. Like the boys care about you.

SPEAKER_22 1:23:39

This is this is one of the few times where you see some redeeming qualities out of Dallas. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_21 1:23:44

And he does it, he does it again later, and he became more likable as the movie came along.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:52

He he was very big brother-y in this moment, looking out for their best interests, right, in his own convoluted way, yeah. In his own asshole dickish kind of way, yeah, sure. Um Dallas does try to talk him out of it, but but they head back to the church hideout. When when they get there, though, lots of questions here. They find it's on fire, and there's a school bus out in front, uh-huh, and lots of school children, and lots of school children, and two teachers, and it turns out these kids were apparently on a field trip to the same church that uh Pony Boy and Johnny had been hiding out in, um, which is now on fire with kids still stuck inside. So why why are they on a field trip to a decrepit old church?

SPEAKER_21 1:24:46

Yeah. No idea. Question one. Uh-huh. Okay. Like most kids when they go on a field trip, it's like the zoo.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 1:24:55

Or the aquarium. Uh-huh. Or the magic house.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:00

Right. Hey, but if nothing else does answer my question from from before, obviously it's not summertime. It's school time.

SPEAKER_21 1:25:06

It's school time. There we go. You got a little timeline. Unless it was like summer camp. But still. God damn it. No, because there were teachers.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:15

Teachers don't do summer camp. Oh, they do. Maybe there were summer camp counselors.

SPEAKER_22 1:25:19

No, they were incompatible.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:20

They could be even more incompetent than teachers.

SPEAKER_21 1:25:23

They were incompetent, I'll tell you that. So, first of all, shitty, shitty field trip. Oh, the worst. Let's go to an abandoned church.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:31

Let's go to a dusty old building where all the windows are boarded shut. The question valid question. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_21 1:25:37

Where the hell else do you go in Oklahoma? There's got to be some the quilt museum. You know what I mean? Like go there. Go to the quilt museum. There's probably a thousand of them.

SPEAKER_22 1:25:49

When I lived in Oklahoma, we went to a field trip to feed the prairie dogs. That would be better.

SPEAKER_21 1:25:55

That was awesome. Yeah. You're not in a dilapidated church. No, there was no old wooden church.

SPEAKER_22 1:26:01

No. I'd feed a prairie dog. Oh, it was cool. Hell yeah. Yeah, you put little crackers outside the little holes and you see the heads pop up and they're so cute.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:08

Hell yeah. And maybe, crazy thought. If you're gonna have all your these kids go into an old, dried out wooden church, maybe don't give them matches to play with.

SPEAKER_21 1:26:20

Or maybe fucking go in with them. Yeah. You know, why are you outside while the church is burning? They were drinking booze, yeah, apparently. Smoking weed. So the teachers with weed.

SPEAKER_22 1:26:32

So so the teachers are outside, the kids are running around, they're trying to gather them together, and when they pull up in their car, one of the teachers said, There are kids still in there. Yeah, why are you not getting them out?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:45

Right. Because they suck. But Johnny and Golden Boy, Pony Boy. Johnny goes first. Yeah, Johnny and Pony Boy go rushing in and to save the day.

SPEAKER_20 1:27:01

The chillcut. Save the choke.

SPEAKER_22 1:27:10

Dally goes in. Because Pony Boy and Johnny went in. Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:16

Hey Dolly, take this kid, man. Take him.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:19

They save the kids. They do. And then the the roof collapses just as Dallas is pulling Pony Boy out. Yep. Johnny's still inside.

SPEAKER_22 1:27:33

The floor gives way. And the roof comes down on the top.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:38

And so we in the next scene we get um Pony Boy's in an ambulance, sitting next to one of the incompetent school type people. Brian, we were talking before we started recording. You made a parallel. I totally agree. You said this guy looked like the principal. From Billy Madison. Absolutely. He did. Full in agreement. Yep. And he tells, but the this this creepy old. Maybe this is the blob, the blob's backstory. Maybe. The origin story of the blob. So the not blob, but kind of the blob tells Pony Boy that Johnny and Dallas are in the ambulance behind them. When they they finally get to the ambulance, get to the hospital. Pony Boy seems to be apparently is the least one injured of the group. We don't know what's happened to Johnny. We assume something really bad has happened because we saw a freaking flaming word fall on top of him. Sure. Dallas is somehow in bad shape because he's being hauled down the hallway in a gurney. I don't know what or how.

SPEAKER_22 1:28:54

Well, he was he was still in the church when it collapsed. No, he pulled he pulled Pony Boy out. But then he jumped back in to go get Johnny. Did he? Yeah. I didn't see that. Because Johnny fell through the floor. And so he jumped back in after pulling out Pony Boy to go get Johnny. He does like Johnny. He does. A lot. Like a son. Or a brother. Or priest. Or somebody that he likes that much. Yeah, so they're in the hospital. Or a girlfriend. And who shows up at the hospital? Daryl and Soda Pop. Yeah. Show up. The Pony Boys Brothers. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:32

So we got a big old happy family reunion.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:39

Oh, look at your tough hair.

SPEAKER_22 1:29:46

Love how the music swells.

SPEAKER_21 1:29:52

So this was another point where Patrick Swayze just overacted like crazy. Like the way. Okay, so he threw his arms around everybody and he's like, oh, oh my mom and dad, dad. No. You know, but he also like held so tight to the shirt that veins were poking out of his arm and like muscles were bulging out of his arm. And I'm like, God damn, dude. He's so pumped. Well, like relent a little. This is a lot, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:20

So before these guys show up, Pony Boy's sitting upright. He's sitting fine. He seems to be, again, the least injured of any of the three. Yeah. Covered in soot. He's covered in soot. He's dirty. He's filthy. When the when his brothers show up, he's grows and greets them. He walks and runs to them. He's upright. They take him home. And when they get there, Darryl carries him out of the car into the house like a freaking toddler. Oh, he was just a sleepy guy. Wake the fucker up. He can walk. No, no, no. Sleepy baby.

SPEAKER_22 1:30:55

He was a sleepy guy with a ton of smoke and halacious. Sleepy baby boy.

SPEAKER_21 1:30:59

Just a sleepy baby boy.

SPEAKER_22 1:31:00

No, just a sleepy baby boy. Just his little baby boy.

SPEAKER_20 1:31:02

Just a sleepy little baby boy. Just a sleepy little guy. He's too tired. He's too tuckered.

SPEAKER_21 1:31:10

You don't want to wake him up.

SPEAKER_20 1:31:11

No, don't wake up, baby.

SPEAKER_21 1:31:14

No. You know what happens when you wake a baby.

SPEAKER_22 1:31:18

I thought it showed. I thought it showed how much Darryl, underneath all the gruff exterior, really cared about his little brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

He could have cared every bit as much if he said, hey, we're home. Let's go inside. And let the grown 16-year-old walk himself inside. But that's not how it was written. They didn't lock the scene that way. Well, it was written like shit.

SPEAKER_21 1:31:46

It was like the could have just like skipped the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:49

Patrick Spazey said. We didn't need to be able to do it. This was a even if it was only 27 seconds long, it was 27 seconds we didn't need because we could fully understand how you would get from a car to inside a house. Yeah. We didn't need to even see any of that. But you're in the hospital, they're in the hospital, reunited. Next scene could be the next morning at the house.

SPEAKER_22 1:32:08

The problem here is you did not appreciate the bulging muscles on Patrick Squeezy. As he was carrying Pony Boy in, he's built like a frickin' Adonis. Wait, wait, wait. Appreciate it. Wait, wait, wait. Maybe you appreciated it too much. I appreciate it a lot. Here's the problem.

SPEAKER_21 1:32:24

Yeah. Seth looks at Derry. And sees Johnny Castle. And sees Johnny Castle.

SPEAKER_22 1:32:33

So so so Daryl can't do anything right.

SPEAKER_20 1:32:38

No. It's never in Seth Side.

SPEAKER_22 1:32:42

It's the Johnny Castle origin story.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:44

This is this is Patrick Squeezey's rule for three or four years later taking a different role in a different movie. If he had not done that three or four years later, I might be more sympathetic to Daryl. Now let me ask you. Honestly, I'm kind of thinking like, dude, you're trying too hard. Let me ask you.

SPEAKER_22 1:33:00

Would you have carried the watermelons? No. Oh, I would have carried watermelons. I would have carried watermelons to get to that party. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 1:33:12

God. I got a watermelon. Baby. Is that what it is? Is that what your mind would have been?

SPEAKER_20 1:33:21

I brought a watermelon. I'd been like, hey, motherfucker, that's watermelon. Watermelon for everybody. Watermelon. Watermelon.

SPEAKER_21 1:33:33

Somehow it's infused with vodka. Right? I'm jazzing that place up, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:39

Did you ever see the movie Can't Hardly Wait? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. I remember the the we just watched it not that long ago because we thought my daughter Cameron would enjoy it. And she thought it was okay. What struck me most is I there was a scene I vividly remember. It must have been in the just in the trailer alone, and I hate it when movies do this. Of a scene with Jason Siegel walking in with a giant watermelon, saying, Hey guys, I got this watermelon, I've been filled in for vodka like a year ago, and finally bringing it out of the freezer, and then dropping it instantly. It's not in the movie. No way. That happens a lot. But we still have scenes in that movie with Jason Siegel eating watermelon. Like just cramming it into space, like watermelon, so good. With no explanation why this dude is just eating a shit ton of watermelon.

SPEAKER_22 1:34:31

Okay, so you know the movie Major League? Yeah. In the previews, there's a scene where um the wild thing is talking to the catcher, and the catcher says, Oh, that wouldn't have been out of most parks. And he says, Yeah, name one. And he goes, Yellowstone. And that scene is not in the movie. No way. Yeah. But it's in the trailer.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:56

It's in the previews. I don't normally do this, but I'm gonna give you a fun fact. Oh, do it. That's my pick for the next movie. Oh snap.

SPEAKER_22 1:35:05

You know what? Here's another fun fact. That's my Major League Picture debut. Oh. I am in the movie. You're in that movie? I will save it for the podcast, but I am in the movie Major League Picture. Fun fact I did not know about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:20

I look forward to learning more about. Mm-hmm. So the next morning, after presumably being tucked in like a little toddler, um, we see Pony Boy making some breakfast in the kitchen, but the piece of that is quickly broken up when Tubit and Steve show up. Two bit. Emilio Estevez and Tom Cruise. Yep. And they they come in bringing a newspaper article, uh, which which makes Pony Boy out to be a bit of a hero for for saving these kids in the fire. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_22 1:35:58

Pony Boy, Johnny, and Danny. Dallas. Dallas, Stally, D Ellie. Are all their pictures in there and they're all listed as heroes. Now did you take notice of those pictures though?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:11

Yeah, they were not flattering pictures. Well, we have Pony Boy looking very clean cut, clean in general, with his blonde hair. Yeah. When did that photo get taken? Right. We we have um Dallas's photo, which kind of looks like a glamour shot from the mall. And Johnny, which looks like a DMV photo. Yeah. Uh, but the article apparently has a lot of exposition in it because we we learn as Pony Boy reads through that his family is also going through uh a bit of an investigation and he might end up being sent to a boy's home. Right. Oh I don't know why an article about kids being saved from a fire would have that in it, but apparently it did. Progressing the story at this time.

SPEAKER_22 1:37:07

Yeah, they gotta move it forward. Okay, so so I don't know if you read the the saw the headlines under the picture. But it was fairly derogatory. It was. And it was almost uh another slap in the face to the greaser community. Yeah. It was it was backhanded, hey, these are heroes and they save kids, but they're greasers. Delinquents save children, yeah. N'erwell save kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:36

But there's just a lot of of chaos though going on in this house. As Daryl is getting ready to head to work, as is Soda Pop and his buddy Steve. Um, you know, and we get we get two-bit being comedic and chaotic. And drinking beer early in the morning. Yeah, and eating some cake. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Again, there's for some reason there's just a giant frigging multi-layer chocolate cake, which Steve is just eating a whole handful of. It's all over his face, all over his face.

SPEAKER_21 1:38:09

Um was Steve was Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. Yeah. So this is where I was like, damn, Tom Cruise is a fucking nutbag. Uh-huh. Because like it was all over his face. Yeah, it was. Like, it was like a savage eating anything, and it was everywhere.

SPEAKER_20 1:38:26

I'm just like, why did you do that?

SPEAKER_21 1:38:30

But did you notice at one point they were like, oh hey, Goofy's on TV. Oh, Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mickey's. Yeah, Mickey. Mickey's on TV. Because Tubit always has a Mickey Mouse t-shirt. Right. And so at one point, he sits down on the floor to watch Mickey Mouse with a giant platter of cake and a beer. And this is the morning. Yeah, probably like eight o'clock in the morning. Right. He's going like everybody's going to work, and he's just going to plop down on the floor and watch cartoons and eat cake and drink beers. Yeah. And it everyone's always got to go off to work. Sounds like my guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:10

Yeah, I was going to say what a great way to start the day. Daryl's got to go roof some houses. Soda pop and Steve got to go work at the gas station. Umit's going to hang out with with Pony Boy to make sure he's okay. Uh and ever once everyone leaves, Pony Boy and Tubit are are gonna hitchhike their way to the hospital to go see Johnny. Along the way, though, they're intercepted by a car full of socias. Uh now socias.

SPEAKER_21 1:39:44

Fucking socias.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:45

Tubit wants to see what what they want. Because apparently they've already got a rumble on the calendar. The rumble's planned. The rumble is planned. It's been put in their respective palm pilots. Like, we don't fight before the rumble. Yeah, it's against the rules. You don't fight before the fight. We cannot enter into violence before our scheduled violence. Right. Right. Because that would be gauche. Makes no sense.

SPEAKER_22 1:40:11

You need everybody healthy and ready to rumble. Right. And no weapons. No, not at the rumble. Not at the rumble. Bare knuckles, bare knuckles, baby. We can sit there and bullshit about the rumble. Yeah. Together. So one of the friends who was part of the group with Bob that were beating up Pony Boy and Johnny when Bob got killed. Randy. Yeah. Randy was there.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:35

And he wanted to talk to Pony Boy. Yeah. Yeah. And he uh he had some very poignant things to say. Did he? I mean, I felt like it.

SPEAKER_12 1:40:45

You can't win. You know that, don't you? It doesn't matter if you whip us, you'll still be where you were before at the bottom. And we'll still be the lucky ones at the top with all the breaks. Doesn't matter. Greasers will still be greasers and socias will still be socias. Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:04

So Randy, just like Johnny and Cherry and Pony Boy, they all are coming to the conclusion that they're just trapped as victims of the circumstance of which side of town they live on.

SPEAKER_22 1:41:18

I never understood the motive of why Randy wanted to talk to Pony Boy and what came out of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:23

I don't know. That was my problem. Other than to say, hey, this sucks, and I'm sorry about what happened, and I'm sorry what's gonna happen. I wish it could be different. Kinda. I got a little bit of that, but it wasn't very clear.

SPEAKER_21 1:41:40

So maybe that is another thing they could have expounded on. Like maybe Cherry said something to him, and like Pony Boy's a good guy, he doesn't give a shit about socias and greasers, and like, but we missed all that. Like we don't get any of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:56

We we don't, and even as Johnny Boy is getting out of the or Pony Boy is getting out of the car, um, Randy says, Good talking to you, Grease. And he's like, Oh, I'm sorry. Good talk to your kid. I mean, he basically traded one dim what diminud for another, but yeah.

SPEAKER_22 1:42:16

But then then Pony Boy like gives him his name and shakes his hand.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:20

And and then when he goes up to talk to Tubid afterwards, Tubit's like, oh, what is that that that Soch want? And and he's like, he's not a Soch, he's just a guy.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:30

And I felt like that was a that was a fairly telling moment.

SPEAKER_22 1:42:36

It it kind of alluded back to what Johnny said earlier in the movie about where can't people just be people?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 1:42:43

And I people are people.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:45

People are people.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:46

So what can it be that you and I can get along so awfully?

SPEAKER_21 1:42:54

So where are we?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:55

We are at the hospital. Pony Boy and Tubit finally make it to see Johnny in the hospital. Uh he's in bad shape. It says uh he'll never walk again, and it's sad. Yeah, you know, what a weird setup that was in the hospital. So see, yeah, so Johnny is lying face down, which they do for burn victims. Sure. And he's got a mirror below him, and so there's a lot of shots where you could see his face reflecting in the mirror and the and then them above. Now, you said face down is normal. Depends on when the birds are the burn victims, right?

SPEAKER_22 1:43:33

Yeah, is the mirror normal? Yeah, is it really? Yeah, so you can see who's who's next to you and who's coming.

unknown 1:43:39

It's fucking weird.

SPEAKER_22 1:43:40

Fun gotta do about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:42

That works, right? It works. Fun fact? Yeah. The nurse was played by S. E. Hinton. No, really. She had a cameo. She had a cameo! Who are you? Wrote the book and got in the movie. That is cool. Good for her. Nice. That's pretty neat. Nice. S. E. S. E. Hinton. What is there? Uh, yeah. So Johnny is uh he's in bad shape.

SPEAKER_20 1:44:08

He is in bad shape.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:10

You wanna know something, pony boy? I used to talk about killing myself all the time, man. I don't wanna die now. It ain't long enough. Sixteen years ain't gonna be long enough. Hell, I wouldn't mind it so much if there wasn't so much stuff I ain't done yet. So many, so many damn things I ain't seen in nothing. That time we were up in Wendricksville was the only time I've ever been away from our neighborhood.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:40

The time I crane kicked Johnny Lawrence in the fucking face, which is illegal.

SPEAKER_21 1:44:46

Anyway, uh, I guess that would kind of put some things into perspective for you, right? Yeah. Like I want to kill myself, but now it's like bad shit happened, it's like I don't want to die yet. I have a theory.

SPEAKER_22 1:44:59

I think he ran into that burning church to save those kids. Hoping to die? Hoping to die, knowing he was going to kill himself. I think I think he did that with reckless abandon because he had nothing to live for. I I I don't want to poo-poo on the heroicism. Yeah, no, no. I and but I think that's why, and then everybody else followed because he went. And that's why Pony Boy went in.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:25

Because Johnny went in. Okay. I'm gonna disagree with you because the main reason that Johnny wants to turn himself in is because of the pain he is causing Pony Boy and his family. If he dies in the fire, there is no one to refute or to protect Pony Boy. Because Pony Boy, they know he was on scene. He was he was there. Um so if Johnny's dead or gone or burned up, Pony Boy's gonna go down for Bob's death.

SPEAKER_21 1:46:03

I don't think so. I don't know about that. I don't buy that theory. So the other part of that too is that he talked about killing himself before. Oh, yeah, that was like back in the the lot earlier.

SPEAKER_22 1:46:13

And then since then, life has gotten just infinitely worse for him.

SPEAKER_21 1:46:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:21

I don't know. See, this is where it's weird because because again, I after killing Bob, in many ways I feel Johnny came back to life. That time in the church, even however long many days it was, I think that connection and that that care that Pony Boy had for him and that their growth together, in many ways, I think Johnny was almost like the caretaker in that relationship. I think he found a new purpose. In this case, it was largely protecting and bringing, making sure that that Pony Boy, with all his potential and his love for literature and words and doing all these things, has a chance to live his life.

SPEAKER_22 1:46:58

And and that's a valid thought. But my theory is that he's already made his mind up that he'd be better off dead than alive. So could be. So why not throw caution in the wind? It's an up open to interpretation. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you can go either way. And and you know, the the way the story is told, you never know.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:19

A lot of this movie really has built upon conveniently being these characters being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

SPEAKER_22 1:47:29

Oh, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:30

They were in the wrong place at the wrong time whenever Bob and his gang showed up. They were the wrong place at the wrong time whenever the church was burning down with kids stuck inside. Mm-hmm. I feel like a bit of this continues after they leave the hospital because after Tubit and Pony Boy take the bus back to back to home, as soon as they get off the bus, Jerry's just sitting there in her stingray waiting for them. How sweet was that car? It was a sweet ass ride, but how would we have known to be there at that time waiting for them right then? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_22 1:48:07

Unless somebody got word to her that they went to the hospital to visit Johnny.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:12

And how would she know when they'd be back? I mean, there's just a lot of questions. Right. Right. So but but Sherry's there to give them a bit of intel. Why is she called Cherry? Because her hair's red. That's right.

SPEAKER_22 1:48:27

Sherry Cherry. I probably said it both ways. Yeah, her real name's Sherry. But she goes, she's got she's got amber hair. It's because she's a virgin. I don't know if she is or not. Ed Bob was giving the hard sell. Basically, though, but now he's a stiff.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:49

Cherry gives him some intel about the big rumble which is scheduled for that evening. Um that it sounds like it's gonna be a fair fight. It says I have a question. Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 1:49:02

We just hear about this rumble. Mm-hmm. It just kind of popped up out of nowhere. Why are they having this rumble?

SPEAKER_02 1:49:12

Explain it to me because I must have missed it. So so Dallas is the first one that mentions the rumble whenever he goes and finds him at the church. And he talks about how they've scheduled a big rumble between the two, between the socias and the greasers, I guess to hash out the beef that they have between them because one of them killed the other. I don't know how it's supposed to solve things, but this is what the plan is. And so it's been mentioned, Dallas was the first one to mention it. It's been mentioned multiple times between that point and this point, that there's a a rumble on the books.

SPEAKER_21 1:49:47

Okay. You know what's funny is I was like, when I watched this, I was like, Who schedules a rumble? And then I thought about it and I was like, man, when I was in high school, yeah, like the high school was across like across the street from this Chinese restaurant. Heard about this called Lamb's Garden. Uh-huh. And they'd be like, Meet me at Lamb's Garden at 3:30, motherfucker. I'm gonna beat your ass. So the rumbles were scheduled. And I was like, okay, that's a little bit more relatable than I thought it was. But like watching, I'm like, who schedules a big old fight? And it's like teenagers, dude. Fucking idiots. Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_22 1:50:22

Yeah, well, thanks for clearing that up because it was it was kind of lost on me. I know they mentioned the rumble, but this is where I'm gonna use Justin's line. I gotta use some backstory on the scheduling of the Rumble.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:35

They alluded to it. It was alluded to it. I don't know if you need a backstory or not, but but it was on there. It's been talked about multiple times up to this point. Cherry's there to just let them know it's gonna be a fair fight, which is about as good as you can hope for. Um, and then they have a bit of a convo again, kind of furthering this whole people are people kind of theme.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:55

Can you see the sunset from the south side very good?

SPEAKER_05 1:50:59

Yeah, real good.

SPEAKER_09 1:51:02

You can see it from the north side too.

SPEAKER_22 1:51:04

Because we're the same. Uh-huh. Look at us being the same people. The only thing that separates us is tracks and money. South and lifestyle. And having parents. Yeah. Parents that didn't get hit by trains. Yeah, maybe this is a Batman backstory.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:23

So the the sun is going down at this point. It's about time for everyone to gather together for a little throwdown. Um and Daryl doesn't want Pony Ball going. No, he he's like, you know, just set this one out. You know, just don't. You're not. But but Pony Boy's like, no, I'm gonna go. So they all go. I'll pick the little guy.

SPEAKER_21 1:51:43

He also put his hand on his head and he was like, You feel hot. You should stay home. Right. Oh, you got the fever. Daddy Dairy. Give us some cowbell.

SPEAKER_20 1:51:53

Daddy Dairy, give me home. I got a fever.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:57

The two sides do assemble in the lot. They do. Now I got a question about this lot. Uh-huh. Because as the socias pull up in their fine automobiles, you see a lot of houses in the background. Yeah. Who doesn't call the cops on this shit? As soon as I saw them, I gotta wonder. It's like what the people in those houses are saying to themselves, looking out of the windows.

SPEAKER_22 1:52:21

Well, you have two kinds of people. You have the people who lock the door and pull the shades and stay inside and like see nothing, know nothing, hear nothing. And then you have the people like me who would bring the chair out to the porch, sit there and be like, all right, let's go. Let's see.

SPEAKER_21 1:52:35

Let's see. What's gonna happen? So I do wonder, like, if they're portraying these greasers as being in like such low life scumbags, right? Like maybe they do just say, like, nobody's gonna call the cops. Like, this is nobody cares. Nobody cares enough about the greasers.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:53

Or everybody's too worried that the greasers are com after you for calling the cops. I don't think the greasers are a product of their community. This is like their home team. Yeah. I don't know. I would think they'd be more alarmed by this this fleet, this convoy of of Sochmobiles pulling up.

SPEAKER_22 1:53:11

Now if you were Which all had searchlights. I I noticed some of them did, and that was weird. Is that was that a thing in the 60s? I don't know.

SPEAKER_21 1:53:19

Now if you would have swapped that though, and the the greasers would have gone to the the Soch's neighborhood, absolutely somebody's gonna call the cops. Oh heck yeah, because there's a greaser in the neighborhood.

SPEAKER_22 1:53:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_21 1:53:29

So it wouldn't have worked if they would have fought on their turf. Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 1:53:32

But they'll come and fight neutral turf? I guess the park. Okay. So no, the park, the greasers said it's their their turf. That's their turf. I don't know. So anyway, so the rumble happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:43

Well, before the rumble happens before the rumble happens, we get long pans of greasers looking moody. Oh, they're so moody. Mangsty. Silently contemplative. Hungry boys. There were a couple of real ugly motherfuckers. There were. And every single one of them looks like they're trying to remember if they left the stove on. They're lost in thought. Then we get the slow walk-up scene of the socias with their khakis and sweaters and major date rape energy. Letter jackets. So much date rape. And then the rumble starts.

SPEAKER_22 1:54:24

Well, right before then, this is what told me that Pony Boy and his family used to be socias.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:32

Oh, yeah. We had we had a meeting of the captains, I guess, at the Rumble.

SPEAKER_22 1:54:36

The leader of the Soch comes out and and Daryl comes out, who's Pony Boy's older brother. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_19 1:54:43

And they had this brief brief action.

SPEAKER_22 1:54:48

And then one of them one of them says they used to be buddies. They used to run. Play football together. Uh-huh. And and it's I think before the parents died, they weren't greasers.

SPEAKER_21 1:55:01

So did you feel like it was like the captains came out and shook hands before the playoff? I did. That's exactly what it was. I mean, all they were missing was a coin flip.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:09

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_22 1:55:11

And then chaos ensues.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:13

It did. Dallas comes running in. It's like, don't start this rumble without me. And then all of a sudden, punches start getting the throne. Yep. Uh Dallas fucked it all up. Yeah, we do. And they're punching, they're slapping, they're pulling hair, they're tugging on clothes, they're biting, they're wrestling. It's just a huge orgy of testosterone.

SPEAKER_22 1:55:35

You know who was a badass in that fight? Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_21 1:55:39

Oh, he was insane.

SPEAKER_22 1:55:40

Tom Cruise was wasting people.

SPEAKER_21 1:55:42

Holy cow. He was nuts the entire time in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:46

And um then for some reason, without even the slightest bit of transition, they go from rumbling to rumbling in the rain. Oh, of course. Yep, it starts raining. It is suddenly a goddamn torrential downpour. It's a mud fest. Until the next shot when it's not raining at all. It's just a quick hitter. It's a little bit more. And then they go to the next shot and it's pouring down rain again.

SPEAKER_21 1:56:12

And then maybe maybe they were in Florida. Pop-up thunderstorms, maybe. Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:18

Um for a director of Francis Ford Copla's pedigree. Uh-huh. I would have thought this would have been way more consistent. There'd be more continuity. Even a degree of continuity would have been appreciated. But you go from scenes where shots, I'm not gonna say scenes, shots where it is pouring down rain and everyone is clearly visibly drenched to the very next shot of it not raining at all and everyone being clearly very visibly dry. Yeah. Back to being completely drenched, back to being completely dry.

SPEAKER_21 1:56:55

And even like so to me, it looked like the shots where it was raining. This was like those, like the rainbow sprinklers. Uh-huh. It didn't look like consistent. No, not whatsoever. And like I know that like their technology is a whole lot better. And like today, right? It's a whole lot better today. But even in 83, like there's movies in '83 that were shot that looked like it was raining and it still looked like rain. Yeah. This was like something we would have thrown together in the backyard and been like, I got ah spring cleared. Ah, let's go with it.

SPEAKER_22 1:57:30

Yeah, they got like three people sitting around the garden hoses.

SPEAKER_21 1:57:33

Right. If I put my thumb on it real hard, it makes it look real. I can make it spray out real good.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:38

I gotta think, though, the rain would be a huge advantage for the greasers. Because those cardigans were wearing. I'd have been so heavy.

SPEAKER_22 1:57:51

And the leather jacket leather jacket, you know, the Letterman jacket. Yeah, for sure. Too much fabric. What did you guys think of the choreography of the fight scene?

SPEAKER_21 1:58:02

It was cheese. It was meh. It was fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:05

But at the same time, it was it was just cheese. It was chaotic, which I think it was the main goal. It was it was meant to be. There were individual shots I thought was good. People being having their face slammed, repeating to the mud looked fine. That was kind of neat. That was a good thing.

SPEAKER_21 1:58:22

A lot of it just felt okay. A lot of it was Tom Cruise with cake on his face and like screaming and like it was mud now. It was mud now.

SPEAKER_22 1:58:31

Right, exactly. Yeah, I I thought a lot of the effects in this movie for being Francis Ford Coppola, they were awfully cheesy. Like like like when the church fell down. Yeah. Uh there were some things that but but I you know, I don't know. For a teen audience, maybe was appropriate. I think that that's kind of what drove it.

SPEAKER_21 1:58:53

That's where it can it comes from. Like if you were old enough to appreciate this movie in '83, it meant a lot to you. Sure. You know what I mean? Or young enough talking to you, Addie, if you're young enough to not know and watch it today, it's like, holy cow, that's great. Right. You know? Yeah. Especially if you're a fan of the book. Sure. You know. But like if you're judging it critically, oh, there's so many.

SPEAKER_22 1:59:25

You know, if you're a fan of the book, you will have those rose-colored glasses when you watch the movie. Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:31

Have you ever read a book and then watched a movie and felt like one didn't really compare to the other?

SPEAKER_22 1:59:39

Yes. And you'll be surprised at which one it is. Okay. The Goonies. I wish it was better. I read the book. The book has more stuff. You know, in the movie, when they get saved on the beach, they get found, and Data says, Oh, the octopus was very scary. In the book, there's an octopus. Okay. When they come out of the water slide before they get to the pirate ship, there's uh like a man-eating octopus in the water. No. Yeah, and they allude to it in the movie, but you never see it. But it's in the book. So yeah, there there were a lot of differences there.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:16

Yeah, I I've had movies that I've watched and then was inspiring enough to read the book. Like Dune. Growing up, I I sci-fi channel will always show the Dune with Kyle McLaughlin. Which I really love. I still love it. I actually think I might I might hold a sweeter spot for it in the more modern remake of Dune. I'm one of the weirdos that probably think that way. But but you say weirdo, I hear nerd. Yeah. I'm fine with that. Um so inspire me to read the book. Yeah. And reading the book, I would see Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck. I would see the characters in there as that. But yeah, but there I think the book was so much richer, had so much more stuff in it.

SPEAKER_22 2:01:01

Now, I read one and then saw the movie that really aligned with each other. And and I read Tom Clancy's Clear and Present Danger. And then I saw the movie. Uh-huh. Now, when I read the book, in my mind's eye, I was envisioning like Harrison Ford as the character. And he ended up being the character in the movie. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was uh it was crazy. So we were I was aligned between the movie and and the book reading the book first. It's same universe.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:29

I read uh Hunt for Red October after watching Hunt for Red October. Alec Baldwin just did not feel like uh Jack Ryan to me. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, he was a terrible Jack Ryan.

SPEAKER_22 2:01:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_20 2:01:41

I don't read.

SPEAKER_21 2:01:49

I don't read for like I don't I I can't uh alright. I don't read fiction. I get you.

SPEAKER_22 2:01:58

You know, like we don't need to get what I read, but I'm on a huge nonfiction roll right now. It's probably been a year and a half, a year and a half. I've been nothing like that.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:07

I know you watched you read World War Z.

SPEAKER_22 2:02:10

I did.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:11

Did you watch World War Z? I did.

SPEAKER_22 2:02:13

Oh, they're totally totally different.

SPEAKER_21 2:02:15

Not even the book was fucking head and shoulders. Oh yeah, way better. Way better. Oh my god. The book was like enthralling.

SPEAKER_22 2:02:23

The book was nothing like the movie. No.

SPEAKER_21 2:02:26

And they they used the name. And they threw Brad Pitt in there. And then it was like, oh, wait, there we go.

SPEAKER_22 2:02:32

Well heck yeah, they threw Brad Pitt in there, baby.

SPEAKER_21 2:02:34

But like that was you think Brad Pitt's in every movie. No, it's either it's either Brad Pitt or uh or Brad Pitt. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:47

You're right. Anyway, uh there's a rumble going on. It's a rainy rumble. Rainy rumble sometimes. Um out of nowhere, without really any clear reason why, the socias all just haul ass out of there. They bail. They bail.

SPEAKER_22 2:03:03

With no reason why, it's because they got the Rasis beat. And they they were beating some asses too. Did you see you see Pony Boy afterwards? Oh, yeah, pony boy. He got he got rocked. He sure did.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:14

But the so the the Greasers win the day and they celebrate like they just won the World Series. Sure did. Why not?

SPEAKER_21 2:03:22

They won the World Series of Rumbles.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:26

They dance, they hoot, they holler in the rain. That's what Hoosers do. They hoot and holler. They hoot and holler. They did both. And then afterwards, Dallas and Pony Boy go to the hospital to see Johnny. They do. Tell him the good news. They want to break the big news. Hey, we won the rumble. And and Johnny doesn't really care because ultimately there are no winners. Right. But he does have one last bit of advice for Pony Boy.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:53

Staygold. Pony Boy.

unknown 2:03:57

Staygold.

SPEAKER_22 2:04:02

And then he dies. He died. He does. He dies. And it's sad. And this was weird for me. Dallas took it harder than I thought. He sure did. He took it real hard. He starts crying. Yeah. I mean, hard ass Dallas. Hard ass dick Dallas. Hard ass dick Dallas. Starts crying. He does. He is having a hard time. And you can tell, you can see his psyche is cracking.

SPEAKER_21 2:04:28

And this is where it was a bit conflicted because I'm like, all right, so Dallas is Dally, right? Dally is like the guy everybody looks up to, and everybody's like, oh, Dally is gonna Oh, he's he's done time.

SPEAKER_22 2:04:39

He knows what to do in every situation. He's the hardest of the heart.

SPEAKER_21 2:04:43

He put him up in the abandoned church, like he had the plan. He knows what he's doing, and now he's just breaking down. It's like, what the hell's happening to our leader?

SPEAKER_02 2:04:51

And he he walks out the hospital and almost immediately pulls an unloaded gun on a doctor. Yep. And then he goes to some form of convenience store, grocery store, where he's being an a-hole, and the clerk calls him out on it and rips up a magazine and robs it.

SPEAKER_21 2:05:10

Now, here's the thing, though, because one time I had a friend who died, and I robbed a store too. Did you? I did. Fun facts. I didn't. That was sarcasm, kids. Would have been a whole lot cooler if you did.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:26

So yeah. Um so Dallas is in in in a very defeatist place. Yeah. He's in a bad mind space. Yeah, and so he then robs this grocery store at gunpoint. And as he's making his getaway, the the clerk suddenly has a gun and starts shooting at him. Um and and we don't know yet, but he but he hits him. Yeah, uh it seems like a very unimportant detail for what we comes after, but yes. For sure. Because Dallas calls Daryl and says, Hey, I just robbed a grocery store. The cops are coming to get me. Meet me at the park. Meet me at the park, and so Daryl's gonna meet him at the park, and somehow in the walk in the run or whatever it might have been between the this phone and the park, four cop cars all find Dallas at the exact same time. Yep. Dallas pulls his unloaded gun on the cops. All right, cue the police. And then the cops shoot the living shit out of him.

SPEAKER_21 2:06:32

Yeah, they do. That was suicide by cop before suicide by cop is a thing. Absolutely, it was. Was it though? I don't know, maybe. Because I mean, in 83 I was a one-year-old sexy baby.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:44

Daryl and all the other greasers are running up on the scene as this is happening.

SPEAKER_22 2:06:49

And how do they know the gun's not loaded? Because they're like, don't shoot, the gun's not loaded. Don't shoot.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:54

Yeah, I there there's a lot of things here. Right. How did all the cops happen to know exactly where to show up? Right. This was their communication tools were much less than. I kind of question why there would have been this large of a police response to a single armed robbery where nobody was shot. Car 54, where are you? There's lots of things here. And then yeah, they're all there at the exact same time. Dallas is being gunned down. Maybe the cops were socies. Maybe. I don't know. And they hate it. But yeah, it was a very dramatic moment. Mm-hmm. Dallas is dead. Dallas is now dead. Uh and we while he's now processing the events of the day, uh, Pony Boy finds a letter that Johnny left for him.

SPEAKER_22 2:07:49

How? In in the book, so obviously he had one of the nurses write. He no he had them transcripted.

SPEAKER_21 2:07:56

No. Yeah. If you look closely. It is the most chicken scratch shit I've ever seen with like words I scratched out. Like this looked like it was written by a 14-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:09

And but but it is worded in a way that seems way more articulate than Johnny ever was.

SPEAKER_22 2:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:18

Um and yeah, what we've kind of alluded to a little bit, I think, is what you're trying to get you, Brian. There's no way he could have written this himself in the condition he was in. Could not have. Right. He couldn't move his body. No. So it's a very long letter that basically reminds Pony Boy that there's good in the world and and tells him once again to stay gold. And while Pony Boy's reading this, we get the superimposed image of Johnny reading, and we get uh Dallas popping up on the other side, and so we get this little trio where only one's alive, but the other two are ghosts, and all these things are going on. And but but Johnny wants um Pony Boy to continue to write in this composition book. And so we see Pony Boy open the book up and he puts pen to paper.

SPEAKER_22 2:09:10

Just like the very beginning of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:11

Like the beginning of the movie where he writes the same few words, and then that's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie.

SPEAKER_21 2:09:20

That's the movie. We could have done without that dissolve fade. There are a lot of things we could do. It was like 75 minutes of dissolve. Like, could you imagine? Like, if you're editing in linear, like how long the dissolve would have had to have been. Like, holy cow. You're talking page and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll. Like, that's crazy. Come on, yeah.

SPEAKER_22 2:09:45

Where's the crazy music?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:48

Wait, do you do you want to talk about something?

SPEAKER_11 2:09:51

Like beer of the night!

SPEAKER_02 2:09:55

Beer number three! Beer number three! Yeah, it's time to talk about beer number three. This one was a pick of Brian. So, Brian, tell us all about it.

SPEAKER_22 2:10:04

Alright, well, this is from Alaskan Brewing, and it is their amber ale. And this ties into the movie because of uh Cherry. Cherry, who they call Cherry because of her amber colored hair. Cherry's Jubilee. And as Dallas rudely asks, does the hair match the eyebrows? What do you guys think? That's a good beer. It's going down pretty easy. This is this is one of my favorites. In fact, there's a local bar that's got this on tap.

SPEAKER_21 2:10:40

Yeah?

SPEAKER_22 2:10:40

Yeah. And when my wife and I go, I get a couple of these straight from the old taparoo. Who's that? Friday South. Uh on Thursday night with Philly Pizza. Philly Pizza. It's amazing. Sponsor of the show. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_20 2:10:55

Kaching. Kaching.

SPEAKER_22 2:10:57

Um, they only serve it on Thursdays, the Philly Pizza. But yeah, they've got this on tap, and it's my go-to there. It's it's slightly malty, but it's clean. And yeah, it's very amber in color. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:10

Alaskan makes some good beer. We we've had them before on the podcast.

SPEAKER_22 2:11:14

Yeah, yeah. They are Yeah, they had the what would we have? The wildness? The wildness, yeah. Um yeah, they also have a winter one. But yeah, this is the uh the Alaskan amber. For dear old Diane Lane.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:31

Easy drinking. I enjoy it. Not bad at all. Is it no no? It's very sessionable.

SPEAKER_22 2:11:36

It's a sesh beer. DM. D M DN?

SPEAKER_11 2:11:40

Nope.

SPEAKER_22 2:11:42

I like this beer.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:44

It's better in a glass than a can, but I got it in a can and it still goes down pretty good. I'm with you. I've had it done draft before. It's a little bit better than this, but this is not bad at all. It's a fair representation of the brand.

SPEAKER_22 2:11:54

Hey, maybe I brought one that didn't suck, but hey, I won the beer ward last uh last one uh You sure did. Stranger things have happened. Stranger things. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:06

Well, now that we've talked about the movie and the beer. And the beer. I gotta ask you guys. Yeah. If you could wave your magic wand and change one thing and one thing only about the outsiders to make it a better movie, what would it be? You only have one magic wand. You only get one. Pick it wisely.

SPEAKER_22 2:12:31

Justin, you wanna go first?

SPEAKER_21 2:12:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 2:12:35

But I have two.

SPEAKER_21 2:12:39

So my major magic wand here. Yeah. Just to give the socias some more development. Okay. It does a decent job of humanizing Cherry and Randy. But the Sos are one-dimensional compared to the Greasers. Like we only hear about the Greasers. I I concur with that. We love the Greasers because they're the only ones that are talked about. We have no insight into what the Soshas are even fighting for. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:07

I think what they're going for. I think the movie, especially we're talking about the whole people are people idea, would have a lot more weight if we got more of a reason to care about the other people.

SPEAKER_21 2:13:17

Right. Like we can't just say the Greasers are amazing. Look at all their struggles. Like we only know about them.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:24

Sherry was cute, and Randy seemed kind of ambivalent, but we need more than that. He was ambivalent for like 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_22 2:13:32

Like that's all we ever got. You know, my magic wand is very similar. My magic wand was I think we need two congruent stories. We need Pony Boy with the Greasers, but we need a character with the socias to see what they're going through and how that life is hard.

SPEAKER_21 2:13:50

Exactly.

SPEAKER_22 2:13:50

Because it it touches on the hey, regardless of what side of the tracks you're on, life is hard for all of us. Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:57

But it didn't go into why or what or how we we see why life is hard for the greasers. Yeah. We expect to just take it for grant. No, we do. Kinda. We see it a lot more for the greasers than we do the socias. We do.

SPEAKER_22 2:14:11

So I I I would like for for there to be a character like Pony Boy on each side. A bit of a balance. And and maybe those two go off to the church together.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:22

And see in it in it kind of an enemy mind situation.

SPEAKER_22 2:14:26

Yeah, it brings the the two sides together. If only for a moment.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:32

Or Romeo and Juliet without the suicide.

SPEAKER_21 2:14:34

And what's what's crazy about that is they it's almost like they tried to, and they were getting there with Randy. And then it just dropped it. Right. It's like that storyline was just never completed.

SPEAKER_22 2:14:46

Hey, did you guys see Randy in the Rumble? No. I didn't either.

SPEAKER_21 2:14:51

I thought all the socias looked the same. I didn't pay too much attention either.

SPEAKER_22 2:14:55

It was like a sea of cardigan sweaters. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_21 2:14:58

But I also wanted to give a better ending.

SPEAKER_22 2:15:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 2:15:01

I need some resolution.

SPEAKER_22 2:15:03

It was it was abrupt. Alright. Seth, what about your wand? Well, not that one. The magic one about the movie here.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:12

The movie has the cast, the hair, the cigarettes, the rain fights, tragic youth energy, and slow motion stares into the distance. But it's missing one major piece. A badass soundtrack. Every other iconic 80s teen movie was out there firing synth pop and arena rock directly into your bloodstream. The outsider soundtrack, though, behaves like it's attending a funeral in sensible shoes.

SPEAKER_21 2:15:53

Yeah, I can see that. That's valid. I agree with that too. You think you got stuck and like, oh, this is 60s. So we gotta keep it 60s.

SPEAKER_22 2:16:02

But there was still some there was still some jamming tunes in the 60s.

SPEAKER_21 2:16:05

There absolutely was. There was, but man, there he didn't have it.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:09

If you wanted to go the anacr anachronism route, like dirty dancing did, you could. But I don't think you had to. I don't even think they had to even have big meal but you know what tracks.

SPEAKER_13 2:16:20

I think you just had to have something that something that matched the synergy of any kind.

SPEAKER_22 2:16:26

Give me some rubber band man by the spinners. My favorite 60s tune.

SPEAKER_21 2:16:32

It would have been better than what they did.

SPEAKER_22 2:16:34

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:36

Alright.

SPEAKER_22 2:16:36

Any other thoughts about things that need to could have been improved? There's a lot of things that could have been improved, but if I only have one magic wand, that's what it is. I think we needed a congruent story to join the two sides together. Because I I had a real hard time figuring out what the moral of the story is. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:51

Well, if that's the case, I think it's time for something actually fun. Oh, let's do it. Ooh, I like fun stuff. This game is called Six Degree Thirst of Kevin Bacon. Six degree thirst. Nice. Somehow the outsiders assembled one of the most absurd young casts in movie history. And yet somehow there's not a single ounce of Kevin Bacon in sight. Oh no. So your challenge is simple. Connect each actor from the outsiders to Kevin Bacon in six degrees or less. I'm going to give you both the name of one of the actors in this movie, and then you both will have 30 seconds to think of and write down the fastest way you can think of to navigate your way to Kevin Bacon. This is going to be horrible. So you both have papers in front of you. If you need a pen, I've got one.

SPEAKER_21 2:18:17

I'm going to be so bad at this. Oh, you and me both. You know me and my pop culture. I have no culture in pop culture. No googling.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:27

No IMDBing. My phone's in my pocket. And before you guys get any bright ideas, the outsiders is off the table. Shit.

SPEAKER_21 2:18:36

Oh no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:39

Okay. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_21 2:18:41

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:43

Round one.

SPEAKER_10 2:18:45

Fight.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:47

Alright. For the first round. Find the quickest way to connect Kevin Bacon to Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_22 2:19:01

Trying to think of Kevin Bacon movies. There are like a billion of them.

SPEAKER_21 2:19:06

There are. I would think that the quickest way to connect them is an arrow. And I write down KB for Kevin Bacon and T C for Tom Cruise, and then I put a little arrow between them and I'm done.

SPEAKER_22 2:19:21

I did the same thing, but I spelled them out. Oh, I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:24

Alright, time's up.

SPEAKER_22 2:19:26

Oh shit. Oh, I I I wasn't thinking. I have nothing.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:32

I got nothing. I guess it's the first round. Do you guys want another 30 seconds? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do it. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_21 2:19:38

No. Because I'm not going to get it. Alright, well, I'll give them to you anyway. This is gonna be like the worst. I'll be editing a lot of this happening. This is the worst segment we have ever had. Kevin Bacon. Like I'm gonna be so bad at this.

SPEAKER_22 2:19:50

Was in a movie with So I've got Kevin Bacon, uh-huh, who is in a movie with Johnny Stone, who is in a movie with Marsha Landon, who was in the third Mission Impossible movie with Tom Cruise. Brian Wins.

SPEAKER_20 2:20:05

Ding ding ding. Hello, audience.

SPEAKER_22 2:20:11

But I gotta tell you, I just made up the name Johnny Stone in Marshall Landon. I got a feeling you may have.

SPEAKER_18 2:20:19

I've got no clue.

SPEAKER_11 2:20:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_20 2:20:26

Where did Kevin Bacon come from? He wasn't in this movie. No, he's not in this movie.

SPEAKER_22 2:20:32

There's a thing called the six degrees of Kevin Bacon that you can take any actor or actress and you can connect them within six moves to Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_20 2:20:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_22 2:20:43

Yeah. So what's the answer here for the Kevin Bacon Tom Cruise one?

SPEAKER_02 2:20:48

Well, there's no answers to correctly who gets there in the shortest amount. I can get there in one. Oh yeah? What is it? A few good men. They were in the same movie.

SPEAKER_22 2:20:57

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what I have. Alright. Next. We have Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_21 2:21:09

It's always gonna be Kevin Bacon. Yes. Is it six degrees of Kevin Bacon? Fucking a Kevin. I don't even know what movie he's in. A few good men. That's one. Trimmers.

SPEAKER_22 2:21:21

Okay. Flatliners. Footloose.

SPEAKER_21 2:21:25

I've never seen these movies.

SPEAKER_22 2:21:27

Oh, one of the best horror movies I ever saw.

SPEAKER_21 2:21:30

Oh yeah, what was that one?

SPEAKER_22 2:21:31

Stir of Echo's? Yeah, Stir of Echoes was great. Not really a horror movie, but kind of a thriller. That was a good psychological thriller. Yeah, I like that one. Oh, when she comes out of the ground and she breaks her fingernail. Round two.

SPEAKER_10 2:21:45

Fight.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:46

Alright. How quickly can you make a connection between Kevin Bacon and Patrick Swayze?

SPEAKER_22 2:21:55

They were in this movie. Swayze. Kevin Bacon was not in that movie.

SPEAKER_21 2:22:00

Fuck. I don't know. Kevin Bacon. He was in Dirty Dancing, wasn't he? No. Fuck no, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_22 2:22:09

Alright, I I I I got part of the way there. I got I got Kevin Bacon. Or Patrick Swayze was in Ghost with Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi Goldberg was in the movie when she was the nun with Sister Act. Yeah, Sister Act. Um who a lot of people don't know had a little cameo by Kira Sedgwick. And Kira Sedgwick is Kevin Bacon's wife.

SPEAKER_21 2:22:42

And so that's four degrees. I wrote down Kevin Bacon is a tasty boy because he tastes like bacon, probably. That's pretty good. I think you win that round. Yeah?

SPEAKER_22 2:22:55

Yeah. What does what does the moderator say? Round three.

SPEAKER_10 2:23:02

Fight.

SPEAKER_22 2:23:03

I'm moving on. Okay. Round three, Rob Low. Oh, Roblo Roblo was in Orgasmo. No, he wasn't. Oh, okay, sorry. I'll scratch that out. Roblo is in St. Elmo's Fire. That is correct. St. Elmo's fire. And who had uh Denzel Washington? No, it did not. Oh it didn't. Uh Denzel.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:32

It did have someone else that has whose first name starts with a D, though. Right. That could be useful.

SPEAKER_22 2:23:37

Um Danny Boy? No. Debbie Gibson? No. No. Debbie. Is it Debbie? Do I have the Debbie right? No, you do not. No, it's not a Debbie. Debbie Downer. No. Okay, Rob Lowe was insane almost fire. Okay. Alright. Rob Lowe?

SPEAKER_21 2:24:07

Alright, I got it in two. Okay. Justin, what do you got? I got Kevin Rob's Lowe's bacon and eats it by the seashore with a lady named Todd.

SPEAKER_22 2:24:18

Oh, that's good. You're good at this. Yeah. He's in natural. Okay, I've got Rob Lowe once hosted Saturday Night Live, and so did Kevin Bacon. Well, that might be true.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:28

Yes. I I I you were so close though. Rob Lowe was in St. Elmo's Fire with Demi Moore, who was in a few good men with Kevin Bacon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 2:24:40

Okay. Yeah, but Saturday Night Live works. I can't believe I lost again.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:48

I don't even know what round we're in here. Uh four. Four. Round four.

SPEAKER_10 2:24:55

Fight.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:56

All right, round four. Emilio Estevez.

SPEAKER_22 2:25:05

Okay, Emilio Esteves was in Young Guns. With who's the Indian guy? He was in the Young Guns with uh Charlie Sheen. No, that's his brother. Uh he was in Young Guns with Who was the Indian dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_21 2:25:41

Man, I can't believe we're still going on already done.

SPEAKER_22 2:25:43

Who is Okay.

SPEAKER_21 2:25:47

Alright. What do you got, Justin? Kevin Bacon has an Emilio-sized Esteves. Okay, so nice.

SPEAKER_22 2:26:01

Thanks, Reggie. Emilio Estevez was in Young Guns with uh the guy that you said. With what guy? The Indian-looking guy. Blue Diamond Phillips, who looked like the guy who was in Tremors. Oh, it looked like him. Looked like Michael Gross?

SPEAKER_02 2:26:16

Yeah. Oh. You were again really close. Okay. Shortest route I found, Emilio Esp to uh Kefer Sutherland in Young Guns. Oh, Kiefer Sutherland was a good thing. And Kiefer Sutherland is in flatliners with Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon, yeah. Yeah, yeah, two degrees. So you're on the right track.

SPEAKER_22 2:26:34

Very good. All right. Yeah, nice. Justin, you won that one. That was a good one for you. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. Yeah, that was. Do we have one more? Round five.

SPEAKER_10 2:26:44

Fight.

SPEAKER_22 2:26:45

Alright, round five. Uh-huh. Kevin Bacon. I will tell you this can be done in one. Okay. Matt Dillon. Was Matt Dillon in 90210? No. He was not. What was Matt Dillon in? Alright, you guys ready? Yeah. Alright, what you got, Brian? Okay. Matt Dillon was in There's Something About Mary. He was, that's true. Yeah. And so was uh the chick. Cameron Diaz? Yeah, she was in. Who was also in The Mask with um Jim Carrey? Yep, Jim Carrey, who was in Truman Show with Ed Harris? Ed Harris. Ed Harris was in that Western with Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_21 2:27:46

You might be right. I don't're not gonna argue. Justin. Kevin ate Matt's dealing with the side of bacon and tater tots.

SPEAKER_22 2:27:56

You know, the tater tots almost got you that one, but I think I won it.

SPEAKER_21 2:28:00

I think you did. I think you won the whole thing. Oh.

SPEAKER_22 2:28:03

I didn't even try.

SPEAKER_21 2:28:04

But your poetry was amazing. I wrote funny.

SPEAKER_22 2:28:06

You know who would like your poetry? Who? Pony Boy.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:08

Pony Boy would like it, and so would Johnny, I bet. I will tell you the movie Wild Things would have connected you and won.

SPEAKER_22 2:28:15

Kevin Bacon was in Wild Things, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_21 2:28:18

Yeah. I didn't say Wild Things.

SPEAKER_22 2:28:20

Oh you should. You need to. With some lotion in the box of Kleenex. That was ominous, guys.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:30

Like, I'm not gonna lie, that was this dirty old man.

SPEAKER_22 2:28:34

There's one of the steamiest scenes in cinemas in that movie. Yeah? Yeah. With who?

SPEAKER_21 2:28:40

Who's in it? Nev Campbell?

SPEAKER_22 2:28:43

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_21 2:28:44

Nev Campbell?

SPEAKER_22 2:28:45

Yeah. And who's the other girl? Denise Richards. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:49

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_20 2:28:50

Oh, it's two ladies. Uh-huh. Oh, okay. She's a lady. Maybe I'll look it up. Whoa whoa.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:02

Okay, we got Kevin Bacon. Last round. Last one. Diane Lane.

SPEAKER_22 2:29:10

Ooh. Oh, he's writing furiously. Well, he finishes, I'll go. Okay. This one's easy. Okay, so Kevin Bacon was in Tremors. Uh-huh. And Diane Lane was actually one of the worm people in Tremors. She she wore a worm suit.

SPEAKER_17 2:29:33

Did she?

SPEAKER_22 2:29:33

Yeah. Did she really? Yeah, you don't know about this, but it was in her creative years. And Diane Lane was one of the tremor worms. Justin, what do you got?

SPEAKER_21 2:29:47

I gotta prove that somehow. I like it. Diane took out her lane, and Kevin spilled bacon on it, and it killed a turtle because she's Mario. That's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:02

That was a victory cheer for the game being over. I think I'm gonna blame you over the audience. Of Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_20 2:30:12

Six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_22 2:30:24

I thought I'd do better than that.

SPEAKER_18 2:30:27

Somebody won a doctor. Somebody won a dark. Somebody made a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:30:41

My dog skip would have connected you to Diane Lane in one. Do what? My dog Skip. Oh, my dog Skip. Yeah, both were in that.

SPEAKER_22 2:30:49

I've never heard of it. Yeah. Who Skip? The dog? Yeah, it's the name. Alright. Your dog Skip.

SPEAKER_21 2:30:56

Seth. Seth's dog Skip. Yeah. I didn't know you had a dog named Skip. Seth is frustrated with us. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:15

What do you guys say? We pick some poison. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_20 2:31:18

We can't lose this one. Picking poison is so much better. I love multiple choice.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:22

We say that every week, but I'm starting to have my guts. Let's fuck it up on purpose. Let's talk about movies from the same year, 1983. Would you rather watch The Outsiders or Risky Business?

SPEAKER_22 2:31:39

I didn't care for that one. I'm gonna watch.

SPEAKER_02 2:31:42

I'll go outsiders. Outsiders as well. I'll go The Outsiders. The Outsiders or War Games. I'll go War Games. So hold on. War games, do you want to play a game? Matthew Broderick Computer.

SPEAKER_21 2:31:59

Nuclear war. I don't know that I've seen that. Did it maybe have Leonardo DiCaprio in it? Nope. I do not think so at all. No. There's an old war movie with Leo in it.

SPEAKER_22 2:32:12

This isn't a war movie? It's a kid who tacks a computer by mistake and gets the nuclear codes and almost starts the nuclear annihilation of the whole planet.

SPEAKER_21 2:32:23

I want to go outsiders.

SPEAKER_22 2:32:25

I'll go war games.

SPEAKER_21 2:32:28

Outsiders or Mr. Mom! I'm gonna go Mr. Mom.

SPEAKER_02 2:32:32

Yeah, I'll go Mr. Mom. I will too. Uh The Outsiders or Flash Dance.

SPEAKER_21 2:32:38

I've never seen Flashdance. Yes, hold on. Does it have Bacon Kevin in it? No. No. No, no, bacon Kevin.

SPEAKER_22 2:32:47

Nope. Hmm. She's smoking hot in that movie. But I'm gonna go outsiders. I'll go Flashdance.

SPEAKER_21 2:32:55

I've never seen it, so I'll give it a shot. Let's do it. Alright, Outsiders or Return of the Jedi. Ah, Return of the Jedi.

SPEAKER_22 2:33:02

Return of the Jedi is probably my favorite Star Wars movie. It's such a good one. Do it too. Yeah, that's my favorite of the whole. Your favorite is the one with the Ewoks?

SPEAKER_21 2:33:11

The Ewoks are cute as fuck.

SPEAKER_22 2:33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 2:33:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_22 2:33:16

Hey. Hey. I mean you do you. Watch your mouth. This is coming from a Jar Jar Binks fan.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:22

God no.

unknown 2:33:24

All right.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:24

Let's talk about some movies from the same director, Francis Ford Copla. Would you rather watch The Outsiders or The Godfather? Outsiders. Outsiders. Outsiders. Fuck that. Outsiders or Apocalypse Now. Apocalypse now. I've never seen it, so I'll go that way. Outsiders or Peggy Sue got married. Outsiders. Never seen it. I think I'll go Peggy Sue. Outsiders or Bromstoker's Dracula. Ooh, Bromstoker's Dracula's fun to watch.

SPEAKER_22 2:33:53

I'll go with that one.

SPEAKER_21 2:33:54

He did that one too.

SPEAKER_22 2:33:55

Yeah. Really?

SPEAKER_21 2:33:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:33:58

I'll do it. I'll do the dragon. I'll go drag. Uh let's talk about some movies from the Teen Angst Hall of Fame. Would you rather watch The Outsiders or The Breakfast Club? They both. Uh Outsiders.

SPEAKER_22 2:34:10

Breakfast Club. Breakfast Club's so overrated. It's ridiculous. It's a movie about nothing. It's Seinfeld before Seinfeld. Did you almost say they both?

SPEAKER_21 2:34:22

Teen coming of age movies are terrible. But I'll stick with the outsiders. Yeah. Yeah, at least somebody dies in it.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:32

I'm going to go with Breakfast Club because at least it has a degree of fun. And a better soundtrack. The outsiders You mess with the bowl, you get the horns.

SPEAKER_21 2:34:43

The Outsiders or Stand By Me. I'm going to go Stand By Me because I just haven't seen it in a long time.

SPEAKER_22 2:34:49

Stand By Me is another highly overrated movie. Yeah. But I'd still watch it over The Outsiders. Yeah? Yeah. The Outsiders or Dead Poet Society.

SPEAKER_21 2:34:59

Dead Poet Society. Give me some Robin Williams. Yeah. Carpe Diem. I'm with you. I don't remember the last time I've seen it, so I'm going to go that way. Poetry? That's how you woo women.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:09

That is how you woo. I've got a few final movies to ask about from the teenagers look like the 34-year-old division. Okay. Outsiders versus Grease.

SPEAKER_21 2:35:23

Outsiders. I almost felt like they were the same movie at the beginning. I'm gonna go Grease. I'm gonna go Grease. Really? Yeah. I remember Grease. It's cheesy and it's fun. It's not fun, it's just cheesy. I remember being I'll take cheese. Like super young, getting my first boner about it. You like that cun? You like that song about the car.

SPEAKER_22 2:35:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 2:35:46

Yeah. Grease lightning. Grease lightning. Oh yeah. It was Rizzo. The Chicksel Cream.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:51

Rizzo did it for me. Alright. How about the Outsiders or Footloose? Footloose. Foot Loose. It's not a good movie.

SPEAKER_22 2:36:02

I don't think I've seen Footloose. It's got its moments. The Tractor Duel?

SPEAKER_21 2:36:09

Okay, I'm in.

SPEAKER_22 2:36:10

How about when he's dancing in the barn?

SPEAKER_21 2:36:12

The angsty, angry dance slash gymnastics routine in a barn. Uh huh. Yeah, hold on. All you gotta say is tractor duel. Yeah, yeah. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:21

That's a tractor duel. Yeah, I pick Footloose. Yeah. How about the outsiders or karate kid? Ooh, wax on.

SPEAKER_22 2:36:29

I'm gonna go karate kid. Yeah. You just like waxing off. I I like me some pet Megeta? Pat Marita.

SPEAKER_02 2:36:39

I think it's Pat Marita. Pet Marita. Yeah. Yeah. No, I go Karate Kid. Yeah. Alright. Well, now that we've picked our poison, it's time to pick something else. Let's pick the winner of the Boniker Award. You are under arrest. You have the right to remain silent.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:59

You guns, guns, guns. It's time to stole the seat and live the few.

SPEAKER_02 2:37:25

Well, if you're new to the show, each episode we choose one worthy recipient to receive this prestigious recognition in honor of one of our favorite cinematic characters, Clarence Bonaker from Robocop. It's not an award for the best actor or whoever was on the screen the most, but the character who we think brought the most to the movie. Brian, who is your choice for this episode's Bodaker Award?

SPEAKER_22 2:37:51

This was really tough for me. There were a ton of characters. A ton. And a lot of characters did not get a whole lot of screen time. Not that much. Too many characters, one might say. Yeah, I think so. And and a lot of underdeveloped characters. Um. So after a lot of consideration, my Bodaker winner is Johnny. I think Johnny is 100% the victim of a circumstance. And I felt bad for him a lot. Um and and when he passed away, it bothered me. I thought I thought he could have come out of the greaser stereotype. Almost like he never belonged there in the first place. Yeah. And and so I I felt more for that character than the others, and and that had to be my decision maker because there was so much meh characters in this. Because the backstories just weren't really filled for me. So I'm gonna by default go Johnny.

SPEAKER_02 2:39:04

Okay. I I I can understand where you're coming from. I think Johnny was had the most potential. But there's another character who I think was the most realized. Okay? Keith Two Bit Matthews. Now, he wasn't the biggest role in the movie, but he's the only character who seems remotely capable of enjoying life for more than five consecutive minutes. He injects energy into his scenes. Um, and honestly, this is a movie that desperately needs a little humor. Um I think Emilio Esteves brought actual entertainment voltage when he was on screen. Plus, he delivered what I'm sure was one of your favorite movie moments of the movie, Brian. The upskirt scene at the drive-in.

SPEAKER_22 2:39:51

Yeah, that's cool. He did do that. Yeah. Alright, so we got two bit, we got Johnny, Justin. Who do you have for your bodegar?

SPEAKER_21 2:40:00

Oh well, uh, kind of in the same boat. I could be Swede. I nominate Dally. Dallas, Dallas the D. Dally, Dallas, Dally, Winston. I don't have everything else.

SPEAKER_22 2:40:21

No.

SPEAKER_13 2:40:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_22 2:40:22

You know, he had he had a little bit of a turn. He did. Like he was for a second, but then he just kind of went crazy. Like it was all too much for him and he went just kind of nuts.

SPEAKER_21 2:40:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:34

Okay, but but I And that was weird. He had a turn, but I don't think his turn was in character with his character. Right. It was such a severe turn. He went from, you know, I get that you you're mourning your buddy, but so is Pony Boy. And Pony Boy's not going out there committing suicide by cop. Right, and they were much closer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_22 2:40:55

So yeah, we gotta we got a three-way standoff here. I can be swayed. I'm not super strong on mine either. But Seth, I don't think yours got enough screen time to make it worth it.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:08

I mean, I I he he definitely did not have as much screen time as Pony Boy or or Johnny. But my my issue with both of them, I don't think they were very well acted. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't pick Daryl.

SPEAKER_22 2:41:23

Patrick Swayze's character? Yeah, you know, he after the parents died, being the oldest son, he had to be the matriarch of his brothers. Patriarch, you mean? Patriarch. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe love is love. Yeah. He was a mummy. And and he tried to raise his brothers with discipline and strength, uh, but at the end he showed he showed great heart. So is that who you're switching to? No, no.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:51

So why are you making a case for Daryl?

SPEAKER_22 2:41:53

Because I know you don't care for uh the Johnny Castle origin story.

SPEAKER_02 2:41:58

I just want this episode to be over, so let's be moving.

SPEAKER_21 2:42:04

You know what? I'm gonna go Johnny. We'll go Johnny. Alright, I won't argue anything. Poor Johnny died.

SPEAKER_22 2:42:11

Yeah, Johnny died. Let's honor him with a bodiker. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:15

Johnny, the winner of this episode's Bodticker Award. Get out of here with an asterisk. Alright, now that we've picked our favorite character of the episode, let's talk about our favorite beer.

SPEAKER_22 2:42:30

Beers.

SPEAKER_02 2:42:31

Ooh, the favorite beer. Who's got strong feelings about our beverages of the evening?

SPEAKER_22 2:42:37

I'll go first. Okay, so I thought the mosh pit. There was nothing special about it. I thought it was just an IPA. Uh, so I'll take that third. I was pleasantly surprised by the Michelobe Golden. It was refreshing. It was actually quite fun to drink. What? Ah, with my history with Alaskan Amber, I'm gonna put that number one. Okay. It's a good beer.

SPEAKER_21 2:43:03

I'm almost in line with you. Yeah? Yeah. I put I put the the Mikelo Golden last. It was it was just fine. Yeah, it was kind of fun to drink, though. It's a beer drinker, Middle. Uh I'm gonna put the Surly in second because it didn't really hit my hazy whorness. Yeah. Uh and Alaskan was pretty damn good. So I'm gonna go with the Alaskan for number one. Seth, what say you?

SPEAKER_02 2:43:36

I'm gonna go directly in line with Justin. I'm gonna put uh the Golden as my third. Really drinkable. Don't get me wrong. Just just not one I would choose to on a normal basis.

SPEAKER_22 2:43:50

It's a beer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:43:51

I'm gonna put Drinking at second and Amber at first, which means for the second episode of the best drink of the movie.

SPEAKER_22 2:44:02

Hey! Nice one. Now, if I can do the next episode and make it three, that's a verified winning streak.

SPEAKER_02 2:44:12

Hell yeah. Alright. Well, now that we've gotten that out of the way. Time for some final thoughts.

unknown 2:44:18

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 2:44:19

Brian? Yeah. You want to kick it off? Sure.

SPEAKER_22 2:44:23

Boy. This movie was heavy. I didn't anticipate that. When it was over, I just kind of sat there for a while trying to digest what I just saw. I initially got a West Side story vibe. A little Romeo and Juliet vibe. For me, it was less of a coming-of-age story and kind of more of a Shakespearean tragedy. You know, this movie came out in 1983, and the book is written in the mid-sixties, but the theme is still relevant today. So maybe this isn't so much as a social commentary as it is a reflection on the dark side of the human condition. The differences between people don't need to be a threat, as we're all going through our own shit. In that respect, the film still holds up. As far as an entertainment piece, there were too many characters that were generalized and not developed. Maybe that was by design. I found quite a few holes, some major points were merely inferred or glossed over. I like what this movie meant to say. I just think it could have been clearer. So I think I would enjoy this movie if I had five beers. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:45:41

Seth, what say you? Overall, I think this movie is wildly overrated. I understand the cultural impact, and I get why I connected with people when they were growing up. But for me, this was an exhausting cloud of teenage angst wrapped in wrapped in cigarette smoke and filmed through poetic rainwater. The movie suffers from the same thin plot progression as a lot of other teen movies from this era. Huge emotional shifts and life-changing moments happen with barely any setup, and characters make massive decisions because the script suddenly needs them to. Normally, I can forgive that in an 80s teen movie because they usually make up for it by being fun. But this movie has almost none of that. No kick-ass soundtrack, very little humor, almost no joy whatsoever, just scene after scene of people dramatically staring into the distance while discussing the pain of existence. And honestly, it feels artsy in that very specific way where it almost dares you to criticize it because maybe you just don't get it. But the thing is, I do get it. I just didn't enjoy it, and quite frankly, I don't think you did it very well. Agreed. Now, that all said, there are things I did appreciate. The cast pretty dang loaded. I think you could have done more with what you had. And there are some decent performances in that. Unfortunately, they're outweighed by a lot of performances that are just kind of meh. And visually, it does look great at times, except for the times it really, really does not. I was more detached than invested. And for me, this is an eight-beer movie. Alright.

SPEAKER_21 2:47:45

Oh, eight beers.

SPEAKER_22 2:47:47

Alright. Justin, what are your final thoughts on the outsiders? Now bear with me. Okay.

SPEAKER_21 2:47:57

Because this is the long-y. Oh, bring it. Buckle up. I am notorious for my shortties. Yeah. For this one's a longie. Uh-oh. That's either good or bad.

SPEAKER_20 2:48:08

Alright.

SPEAKER_21 2:48:08

So I had a hard time with this one. The dialogue was rough. And while there were some big names in this cast, a lot of the performances didn't work for me. Patrick Swayze was probably the standout, but even then I found myself wondering whether young Patrick Swayze was just an over-the-top actor, or if he just hadn't grown into his chops yet. And Tom Cruise is Steve. That performance was so over-the-top, it was distracting and creepy. The ending also caught me off guard. It was too abrupt. Like they ran out of budget and thought, maybe no one will notice. Johnny died. We got a weird dissolve fade effect with Johnny reading a letter that in his condition was impossible to write, and Dally was there for some reason also. Then Q the Music rolled the credits. Now you guys know how much I like my movies to tie everything up in a nice neat bow. It just didn't happen with this one. Maybe that's faithful to the story, maybe it's intentional, but it left me feeling like I was missing a final chapter. That said, for a movie from 1983, it looked surprisingly good. We watched plenty of films from this era that felt much more dated. The cinematography had enough artistic flair and creative camera work to keep me engaged, even when the story wasn't completely winning me over. The score, however, left something to be desired. It did. The music was fine, but it never really seemed to pair with the scene it was attached to. This is one of those movies where I can't honestly call it bad, but I also can't say I thought it was particularly good. It sits somewhere in the middle for me. And after reading reviews, I can understand why so many people say the book is the superior version of the story. This feels like one of those cases where the source material may have had more room to explore the characters and themes than the movie could manage. By the way, I didn't read the book either. I'm sure you're not shocked. So before I wrap up, I want to give a shout out to my stepson Addy. He's 13 years old and he's spending his the summer in Colorado with his dad. As I mentioned earlier, this was his recommendation for the podcast, and I love that he wanted us to watch something that means a lot to him. Buddy, even though I didn't connect the same way you did, I'm really glad you picked it because it gave me a chance to experience a movie that was important to you. And finally my beer rating. If I were sitting down to watch The Outsiders by myself again, I'd probably need a solid six pack to get through it. But if Addie wanted to watch it with me, I'd skip the beers altogether and happily watch it again, just because he enjoys it so much. But yeah, for the purpose purpose of this podcast, this is a six-beer movie for me. And Addie? Sorry if we tore your movie apart, buddy. We still love you. Stay gold, Addy boy. Stay gold.

SPEAKER_22 2:51:30

Nice. Nice. You know, I don't I don't regret watching this movie. No, not at all. I think part of it for me was it was not about what I thought it was going to be about. It was a little bit darker. It was a little bit deeper. And uh yeah, like I said, once it was over, I just turned the TV off and kind of sat there for a while. I'm like, I I don't know what to feel or what to think. What do I do? Yeah, I tried to I try to reflect on some things, but nothing came to mind. I was just kind of just kind of and I drank this, you know, I didn't drink anything watching it uh, you know, my watch, and I was just kind of I was kind of wasted afterwards. It was a lot.

SPEAKER_21 2:52:12

It was it was heavy, it was heavy, but I also just like the ending. I was like I was expecting something else to happen. Right. And then it was over, and I was like, oh, there's the credits.

SPEAKER_22 2:52:26

We're done. Yeah, there's nothing more. But hey, I want to second your sentiment, you know. Addie, thanks a lot for uh picking this movie. I I I I'm better off for watching it, you know?

SPEAKER_21 2:52:38

And not often you get a 13-year-old that's like, hey, check out this movie I love. Right. You know? Yeah, that was cool. That's pretty cool. That was cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:52:47

So all our scores averaged out gives the outsiders a beer score of 6.33 beers to reach peak viewing pleasure.

SPEAKER_22 2:52:58

And where does that put that in the hierarchy?

SPEAKER_02 2:53:01

Tied for 19th place in the movies we've watched to date with UHF. Which is a third of a beer behind Halloween and a third of beer ahead of Orgasmo. Okay. All right. That's not bad. That's not a bad spot. So now that we we've gotten that out of the way, let's just say for a moment that Francis Ford Coppola gave us a call. It's like, hey, regular guys, I want to make a sequel to The Outsiders. Oh, but maybe it's called The Outsiderers. Outsiderers? Alright.

SPEAKER_21 2:53:45

What do you got?

SPEAKER_19 2:53:47

Brian, well, pick kick it off.

SPEAKER_22 2:53:49

Yeah, the yeah, the best beer of the night. I think the obvious angle here is Pony Boy's oldest brother finds his love of dance. I'm just kidding. Um, it's fantastic. I think a sequel should bridge the two groups together. The Soch and the Grease. I like it. Greasers. So I think Pony Boy and Cherry develop their relationship through the confines and the bounds of the social constructs of being across the tracks from each other.

SPEAKER_02 2:54:34

Okay. But nothing brings people together as much as a common enemy. Yeah. So I think we need to bring some kind of force into this community that basically brings the socias and the greasers together as one. Aliens? I'm thinking zombies. That way we could bring Johnny and Dallas back from the dead. Oh, hell yeah. And so we have a team or a horde of zombies coming to this Oklahoma town, and the socias and the greasers have to band together, forget about their differences, and unify for the greater good.

SPEAKER_22 2:55:19

You know, I could see, I could see the greasers strapping their switch blades to the bumpers of the socias' cars, and they're just mowing down zombies together.

SPEAKER_02 2:55:32

Hell yeah. You know, you got a Mustang convertible, you drop the top, you got Soshas driving, but you're greasers hanging out on the back seat just swinging baseball bats as they're taking out hordes. I mean, it's like a scene out of Walking Dead. I like it.

SPEAKER_21 2:55:48

Now, Justin, where do we go from there? See, you guys almost got me completely here because the only difference though was you said it was Pony Boy and Cherry. Yeah. Based on the movie. It was for me, it was Pony Boy and Randy. Oh they kind of they kind of had these similar hell of a moment kind of things here. They both none of them wanted this fight, right? Um but in their in my eyes going broke back. Right, they're going broke back, and they're trying to stop the next generation from repeating their same mistakes, right? So the old greaser soche war is kind of like cooled down a bit, but like the the younger kids who weren't there during the all this angst and everything, they're eager to to ignite this this feud. Okay. And so it's up to Pony Boy and Randy to become the bridge between these two sides that don't trust each other and try to repair that. And I think there's there's some conflict along the way. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 2:56:57

Um but they gotta come together, or the zombie horde will get them.

SPEAKER_21 2:57:01

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:57:02

Like, I mean Did you say come together? Come together right now.

SPEAKER_21 2:57:08

In your pants.

SPEAKER_22 2:57:13

Yeah, yeah. I think I think there's enough meat on the spoon for Francis Ford Coppola back in the day. Is he alive? To work with it. I think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21 2:57:24

Okay. I didn't want to make the same mistake. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_22 2:57:26

That's what I said in his day, because I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:57:29

Now, he did not give Nicholas Cage a job back in the day. Oh shit. I think he's gonna have to give him a role in this movie.

SPEAKER_21 2:57:40

Is he the mayor? He needs to be a mayor of the town? No, like he should be like the king zombie. Oh, the king zombie. The final boss.

SPEAKER_02 2:57:49

King zombie slash Elvis impersonator?

SPEAKER_21 2:57:52

Yes. Elvis zombie impersonator. Zombie Elvis impersonator.

SPEAKER_22 2:58:00

Zombie Elvis. So maybe the movie takes place like a decade afterwards, and Elvis has just died. Oh, so it's not an impersonator, it's actually Elvis. Actually, Elvis coming back in Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_21 2:58:12

I mean, Big Bell Buckles.

SPEAKER_22 2:58:18

He is searching for the best fried peanut butter banana sandwich. Peanut butter brain sandwich. Yeah. And you can only get those in Oklahoma, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 2:58:27

Apparently. Do you think he would eat a tagwood? What's that? Do you think Elvis would eat a tagwood? I mean, I don't know. He would love the peanut butter, fried peanut butter.

SPEAKER_22 2:58:36

Maybe banana. Maybe if you fried it first. Yeah. Yeah. I think he'd eat it. Okay. It didn't. Towards the end there, it didn't look like he passed up much. True.

SPEAKER_21 2:58:45

So. I think he'd give it a go. I think the next time that we get together, instead of a beer, I'm gonna bring a Dagwood sandwich for all of us to try. Alright. You'll be pleasantly surprised. I don't know. I don't know. Although it's got baloney on it. I love baloney. Uh. Especially the the kind you gotta rip the red ring off of. That sick ass baloney. That shit's so good. Bologna's bullshit. Baloney.

SPEAKER_02 2:59:15

Well. Bologna's baloney. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. That's gonna do it for this episode of the regular guy movie show. I feel you, bruh. We survived gang fights in the rain, emotionally catastrophic sunsets, enough cigarette smoke to trigger a statewide air quality warning, and one of the most aggressively overqualified cast ever assembled for a teen movie. If you enjoyed hanging out with us, make sure to follow, subscribe, leave a review, or just start dramatically quoting poetry while staring out a window and refusing to explain yourself to anyone around you. If you want to keep the conversation going, hit us up on the socials and tell us what you think about the outsiders. Did it hold up for you? Did the emotional moments still land? And most importantly, who is your boniker winner? Thanks for listening, thanks for drinking along with us, and until next time, be kind, rewind.

SPEAKER_00 3:00:18

The regular guy, movie show, talking flicks. Here we go.

SPEAKER_21 3:00:44

Man, we should start a fucking band. Hey, Mark. You love Guar. Wanna join the band?